0001Gure ★.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:01:13.17ID:Jl/vEM/l9
※2024/09/07 06:31
Yomiuri Shimbun
At the witness hearing of Governor Saito Motohiko held by the Hyogo Prefectural Assembly’s Article 100 Committee on the 6th, Governor Saito maintained his claim that the prefecture’s response of not treating the allegations as whistle-blowing and taking disciplinary action against the whistle-blower was “legally correct.” The committee’s questions focused on whether the document of accusation, which the accuser, a male employee who was the former director of the Nishi Harima Prefectural Government Bureau (who died in July), sent to some media outlets in mid-March, constituted a public interest whistleblower report. Governor Saito became aware of the contents of the document on the 20th, and on the following day, 21st, he instructed former Vice Governor Yasutaka Katayama (who resigned at the end of July) and others to identify the accuser. Under the Whistleblower Protection Act, “external reports” to media organizations and the like are also protected if there is “reasonableness to believe that the information is true” (reasonableness to be true). Attorney Toshiaki Yamaguchi, who is knowledgeable about the whistleblowing system, appeared at the 100-Article Committee as an expert witness before Governor Saito. He stated that the allegations constitute an external report, and said, “The person who made the report should not be investigated, as that would be a violation of the law.” However, Governor Saito said, “I thought the document was more slanderous than an accusation. “There is no problem with identifying the person who created it and questioning them.” Governor Saito said that during questioning by the prefecture’s personnel department on March 25, the male employee said, “There are rumors everywhere. “I collected them,” he explained. “There are no concrete statements or evidence, and there is no credibility to the matter. I still don’t think it constitutes whistleblowing.” Regarding the fact that the male employee reported the same content using the prefecture’s whistleblowing system in April, but the prefecture imposed a three-month suspension on him in May as disciplinary action, the prefecture said, “Disciplinary action was taken for creating a highly defamatory document. There is no problem with the response,” he reiterated. When asked by the committee if he felt any moral responsibility, he said, “I don’t know what moral responsibility is, so I can’t comment clearly. “I would like to deeply apologize to the people of the prefecture for causing the current prefectural government situation.” After questioning witnesses on the 6th, the 100-Article Committee decided to seek the opinion of the Consumer Affairs Agency on whether the prefecture’s response violates the Whistleblower Protection Act. Professor Katsugo Hino (labor law) of Shukutoku University, who is knowledgeable about the system, told the Yomiuri Shimbun about Governor Saito’s testimony at the hearing, “It has become clear that there is not a thorough understanding of the system within the prefectural government.” Regarding the content of the report, the court stated, “It is not required that it be 100% true, but rather that it will be protected if the accuser has ’reasonable reason to believe’.” He added, “When the governor obtained the allegations, he should have handed the investigation over to a third-party organization. “The governor’s actions are in violation of the law,” he said. Testimony that contradicts those of staff members
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★ 2024/09/07 (Sat) 08:24:56.63.
Yomiuri Shimbun
At the witness hearing of Governor Saito Motohiko held by the Hyogo Prefectural Assembly’s Article 100 Committee on the 6th, Governor Saito maintained his claim that the prefecture’s response of not treating the allegations as whistle-blowing and taking disciplinary action against the whistle-blower was “legally correct.” The committee’s questions focused on whether the document of accusation, which the accuser, a male employee who was the former director of the Nishi Harima Prefectural Government Bureau (who died in July), sent to some media outlets in mid-March, constituted a public interest whistleblower report. Governor Saito became aware of the contents of the document on the 20th, and on the following day, 21st, he instructed former Vice Governor Yasutaka Katayama (who resigned at the end of July) and others to identify the accuser. Under the Whistleblower Protection Act, “external reports” to media organizations and the like are also protected if there is “reasonableness to believe that the information is true” (reasonableness to be true). Attorney Toshiaki Yamaguchi, who is knowledgeable about the whistleblowing system, appeared at the 100-Article Committee as an expert witness before Governor Saito. He stated that the allegations constitute an external report, and said, “The person who made the report should not be investigated, as that would be a violation of the law.” However, Governor Saito said, “I thought the document was more slanderous than an accusation. “There is no problem with identifying the person who created it and questioning them.” Governor Saito said that during questioning by the prefecture’s personnel department on March 25, the male employee said, “There are rumors everywhere. “I collected them,” he explained. “There are no concrete statements or evidence, and there is no credibility to the matter. I still don’t think it constitutes whistleblowing.” Regarding the fact that the male employee reported the same content using the prefecture’s whistleblowing system in April, but the prefecture imposed a three-month suspension on him in May as disciplinary action, the prefecture said, “Disciplinary action was taken for creating a highly defamatory document. There is no problem with the response,” he reiterated. When asked by the committee if he felt any moral responsibility, he said, “I don’t know what moral responsibility is, so I can’t comment clearly. “I would like to deeply apologize to the people of the prefecture for causing the current prefectural government situation.” After questioning witnesses on the 6th, the 100-Article Committee decided to seek the opinion of the Consumer Affairs Agency on whether the prefecture’s response violates the Whistleblower Protection Act. Professor Katsugo Hino (labor law) of Shukutoku University, who is knowledgeable about the system, told the Yomiuri Shimbun about Governor Saito’s testimony at the hearing, “It has become clear that there is not a thorough understanding of the system within the prefectural government.” Regarding the content of the report, the court stated, “It is not required that it be 100% true, but rather that it will be protected if the accuser has ’reasonable reason to believe’.” He added, “When the governor obtained the allegations, he should have handed the investigation over to a third-party organization. “The governor’s actions are in violation of the law,” he said. Testimony that contradicts those of staff members
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★ 2024/09/07 (Sat) 08:24:56.63.
【兵庫】斎藤知事「道義的責任が何かわからない」…告発者処分「法的問題なし」主張変えず [ぐれ★]
兵庫県知事「道義的責任が何かわからない」…告発者処分「法的問題なし」主張変えず
【読売新聞】 兵庫県議会の百条委員会が6日に行った斎藤元彦知事への証人尋問で、斎藤知事は、告発を公益通報として扱わず告発者を処分した県の対応について、「法的に問題ない」との主張を変えなかった。 委員の質疑が集中したのが、告発者の前県
0058Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:17:11.45ID:pwzEL5lu0(1/3)
>>1
I hope you continue to thoroughly maintain your claim of infallibility. The civility of Hyogo Prefecture residents continues to be exposed. Are they becoming like the Okinawan people who regard Tamaki as a god?
I hope you continue to thoroughly maintain your claim of infallibility. The civility of Hyogo Prefecture residents continues to be exposed. Are they becoming like the Okinawan people who regard Tamaki as a god?
In any case, a civil lawsuit awaits. Saito’s explanation will be taken into consideration…
0081Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:22:31.01ID:7gOh6x//0
>>1
I guess this is the kind of Japan the Restoration is aiming for.
I guess this is the kind of Japan the Restoration is aiming for.
0002Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:03:45.85ID:9DAAGBSq0(1/2)
Athletes and entertainers have been properly expelled when they have caused scandals, so it would be strange if prefectural governors and politicians with secret funds were not also properly expelled.
0004Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:04:16.79ID:IpaGizPc0
He insists that he is not at fault. This guy is the real deal.
0005Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:04:40.88ID:fb2Ajre10
So was this really a coup?
0006Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:04:47.03ID:9DAAGBSq0(2/2)
If he doesn’t get expelled properly, he’s not fit to be governor, so expelling him is the right thing to do.
0007Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:05:40.23ID:MQZ5EPmM0
Is he a real narcissist or a psychopath?
0008Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:06.21ID:18s6kc7z0
Why did the Ishin Party elect someone like this as governor?
0009Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:17.48ID:78WBeSi40
I want him to go ahead with it, I’m watching. Politicians who stick to their guns no matter who criticizes them or denounces them are the ones who leave their mark on history.
0010Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:20.26ID:O6sMs+a60
This is an example of what happens when citizens are stupid.
0011Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:29.43ID:ZqC2Y+Il0(1/5)
When he displays such glaring psychopathic behavior, it even makes you wonder if he’s actually playing a psychopath.
0012Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:32.65ID:FlJQ90Q00
He’s really using his power to the fullest, lol.
0013Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:06:44.31ID:n4O3dClu0
Eventually things will calm down, be forgotten, and he’ll continue in his position as governor as if nothing happened.
0014Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:07:01.22ID:9mynD/kd0
You can tell by looking into his eyes that he’s a true psychopath.
0015Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:07:17.01ID:gDqIyf9p0
He’s a really scary person.
0017Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:07:34.14ID:MhoLLBrC0(1/4)
Maybe it’s not perjury or anything, but is he serious? I wonder. Katayama seems to have malicious intent.
0018Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:07:39.35ID:0Y30dbel0
He answers without breaking a sweat as if it’s none of his business.
0019Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:07:42.78ID:oz4bGedL0(1/3)
It’s the law, so there’s no problem. Who’s scripting the answers? Is it that lawyer? He’s so incompetent.
0021Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:08:00.00ID:fuLevTmU0
I don’t understand the three biggest things in Japan. I don’t know what the definition of anti-social is. I don’t know what moral responsibility is.
0022Security Guard [lv.11] [Sprout].Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:08:28.49ID:NL35o2Ms0
Even though they’re already sure to lose, they’re still persisting.
0025Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:08:46.28ID:k3KnMJk10
He’s the type who will risk his political life and end up crying in the end. If he fights this much, he’ll get seriously injured.
0026Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:09:16.17ID:8OZapTDP0
I guess his lawyer told him not to recognize it as a public interest whistleblower.
0047Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:03.35ID:zoYjFKHJ0(1/2)
>>26
Well, I think it’s pretty unreasonable to treat that document as an internal whistleblower right from the start.
I wonder why they structured it like that.
Well, I think it’s pretty unreasonable to treat that document as an internal whistleblower right from the start.
I wonder why they structured it like that.
0027Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:09:24.37ID:EFbQOMTd0
Well, there won’t be a next time, so with less than a year left to live, the question is how much his own reputation and that of the Ishin Party will be damaged.
0028Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:10:21.01ID:KoEPvXEa0
I got permission to treat it that way, and it was okay lol.
0029Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:10:24.21ID:ZIgLlS2Y0
People have died because of your power harassment, yet you are so shameless.
0030Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:10:38.44ID:jvm0fNY50
He seems like the epitome of selfishness.
0031Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:10:52.10ID:kgKRBL+X0(2/20)
80% of senile civil servants are incompetent or lazy, so there’s nothing you can do about them other than yelling at them.
0034Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:11:42.98ID:19HFNFSL0
>>31
He made the governor walk 20 meters, so he’s incompetent!
He made the governor walk 20 meters, so he’s incompetent!
0032Security guard [lv.38].Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:10:54.31ID:OzTcZDWC0(1/2)
Moral responsibility?
I was shocked
The Governor of Hyogo Prefecture!
I was shocked
The Governor of Hyogo Prefecture!
0035Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:12:14.01ID:bvdLDHyZ0
He’s the grandson of the boss of a rubber shop in Nagata, so it can’t be helped.
0036Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:12:22.04ID:u3leWbj20
That’s amazing. If this is the governor, not only Hyogo but Japan will be finished. How can someone who can’t see things objectively be in politics?
0037Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:12:42.71ID:BOFa5BSL0
I’m the governor.
0040Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:12:50.56ID:d6+F5C8h0
First, give us back the crabs, then resign as governor.
0043Security guard [lv.38].Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:13:20.51ID:OzTcZDWC0(2/2)
Public interest reporting?
No, it’s slander.
I decided.
What? No?
I’m the Governor of Hyogo Prefecture!
No, it’s slander.
I decided.
What? No?
I’m the Governor of Hyogo Prefecture!
0046Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:13:47.65ID:r7ijFhMx0(2/8)
Nonomura Ryuutaro, the crying conman, also fades into the background. But it’s amazing. Worst governor ever.
0052Anonymous Donburako.Sep. 7, 2024 (Sat) 11:16:14.55ID:FhRez/oZ0
I get to decide if it’s a whistleblower or not, because I’m the governor.
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