Composer Joe Hisaishi “Generative AI cannot create new songs.”

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0001Mr.Shoko★.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:50:54.91ID:t7Uy+u4k9
Composer Joe Hisaishi: “Generative AI can’t create new songs” – Nikkei Shimbun
September 15, 2024 2:00 [Members-only article]
Joe Hisaishi, a composer known for his work on Studio Ghibli films, was interviewed by the Nikkei Shimbun in San Francisco, where he was visiting for a performance. In the near future when AI (artificial intelligence) will mass-produce content, will people be able to continue to demonstrate value in the field of art? Hisaishi asserts that “generative AI cannot create new songs.” The argument is that AI can only create imitations. –In the entertainment industry, the spread of AI is eroding the value of things created by humans…
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作曲家・久石譲さん「生成AIに新しい曲は生み出せない」 - 日本経済新聞
スタジオジブリの映画音楽で知られる作曲家の久石譲さんが、公演で訪れた米サンフランシスコで日本経済新聞の取材に応じた。AI(人工知能)がコンテンツを量産する近未来に、人は芸術の分野で価値を示し続けることができるのか。久石さんは「生成AIに新し...
0063Security Guard [lv.7] [new].Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:29:50.00ID:ADu4qbH80
>>1
Maybe
But the current music artists can only make similar things.
0115Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:50:13.40ID:Ts14NpC00
>>1
In fact, it seems that humans are more influenced by previously played melodies stored in their brains.
0003Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:53:16.81ID:eds5Glur0
I think I’ll be able to do it soon.
0007Security Guard [lv.5] [Sprout].Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:57:22.16ID:SIWjoRxq0(1/5)
>>3
Even if it were possible, I would still call it plagiarism
It would just be a list of phrases we’ve heard before.
0004Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:53:38.26ID:xMcWHGM70
I think we’re underestimating AI, but humans also create their own music by learning from past masterpieces.
0014Hunter [lv.220][Seedling].Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:01:49.66ID:JwRP9Qd+0
>>4
For now, AI-generated pictures and music are often “somewhere I’ve seen this before…”
Even with text, there are software and apps that can tell if there are AI-specific writing quirks, or conversely, if a report was created by AI
They say the singularity point will come sooner than expected, but I think AI is still in the process of accumulating knowledge.
0005Security Guard [lv.12] [Sprout].Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:55:34.05ID:sgJ0/oU10
I can tell that you’re a first-class shakuhachi lover like me. AI can compose Beethoven, but it can’t compose Mozart.
0056Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:23:41.26ID:sUtuk9HY0(2/7)
>>5
The shakuhachi is amazing.
0006Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:57:08.21ID:w9Bbo1hE0(1/10)
It’s likely that there will be some weird or uninspiring sounds mixed in, so it’s likely they won’t be able to complete it, but I’m sure they’ll be able to make a demo recording.
0008Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:57:35.99ID:62BZUQV50(1/2)
Even among humans, I think there aren’t that many people who create songs that could be called “new songs.”
0009Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:58:32.21ID:mW+LdCBU0
Don’t worry about it, I make similar songs all the time lol.
0010Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:59:00.79ID:w9Bbo1hE0(2/10)
I guess it could be made into something like a poem creation maker.
0011Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 05:59:16.58ID:iSXlJuPg0(1/2)
Humans are also imitators, mostly just piecing things together and arranging things.
0097Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:44:17.07ID:tXcoqL/M0(1/2)
>>11
Human genes are already like that.
0012Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:01:37.35ID:62BZUQV50(2/2)
I think composing music as a “job” will be entirely taken over by AI.
0092Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:41:48.45ID:sbrgK6PO0
>>12
Is it something like Irasutoya?
If you can get away with AI songs, that’s fine, but if you want to be particular, you can make them human songs.
I think it’s good to have that option.
0013Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:01:46.19ID:u0Z6uG2S0
In fact, their ability to create new things is far greater than that of humans, as they can completely randomize things within certain standards. Humans just can’t get rid of their habits. People study music theory to help them break their habits, but they still can’t break them completely.
0015Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:02:13.06ID:w9Bbo1hE0(3/10)
Soon social media will have services that use AI to post things that you would likely post. Does anyone have any yet?

It’s not a lyric from a Creepy Nuts song, but I’d like to tweet something clever and get retweeted and liked.

0016Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:02:15.79ID:kv4hHtRu0
I think it’s possible even at this stage.
0017Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:03:12.88ID:nP3DQULM0
You will be used as a stepping stone to create something new lol. It’s the same for humans and AI.
0018Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:03:38.12ID:rtmMyYqG0
Games like shogi and go were overtaken in no time, and it seems like an industry that could be quickly dominated if there were a lot of samples.
0098Security Guard [lv.3] [Sprout].Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:45:25.44ID:9pKHGurG0(1/2)
>>18
However, the strongest AI in Go and Shogi is AlphaZero, created by Google, which is only taught the rules and does not refer to any human records.
In other words, the human samples were a hindrance.
0019Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:04:16.76ID:OEQtPTPj0
AI is the ultimate form of imitation and learning, so I think it will be possible someday, but after that it will depend on whether or not there are ghosts like in Ghost in the Shell, and whether or not a ghost resides in the AI.
0020Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:05:14.29ID:w9Bbo1hE0(4/10)
I guess the LDP posters are AI too. AI will probably take over local commercial music and free music. And even if composers are accused of plagiarism, they’ll be able to say “AI did it.”
0109Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:47:55.47ID:pouj0HUg0
>>20
> The LDP posters are probably AI too. How so lol?
0021Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:05:32.90ID:lVbOxaqm0(1/3)
Is the beginning of Nausicaa Requiem a homage to something? Variations?
0022Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:06:08.70ID:xTxXhwmw0
I can now sing songs normally, even though I don’t know anything about Grandpa Hisaishi.
0023Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:07:35.31ID:+t+WfNsc0(1/2)
If you want a safe, mass-appealing approach, AI should be enough, including the lyrics.
0024Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:07:50.73ID:CefR//5w0
Rather, I think it’s more fun to learn different things and see what kind of music I can make.
0025Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:08:04.68ID:w9Bbo1hE0(5/10)
I feel bad for the person who wrote the song “Yobikomi-kun.” But that funny, strangely good song also has an AI feel to it in a good way.
0026Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:08:23.63ID:0LPaDPVX0(1/2)
I guess from now on, we won’t have to pay royalties for songwriting or composing.
0029Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:10:28.92ID:26FI4Pne0
Ai is hope for those who have no talent.
0030Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:10:34.65ID:w9Bbo1hE0(6/10)
Technological advances have transformed the way we experience music. From ancient instruments to modern instruments, from pianofortes to electric instruments, it may even give birth to new genres.
0032Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:11:54.95ID:+DhCzORL0(1/2)
Have you finally noticed?
0036Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:14:00.78ID:n2WSbMkY0(1/2)
It’s true that the songs that Suno makes in 30 seconds are better than 99% of Vocaloid songs made by amateurs.
0037Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:15:43.66ID:c8cobeZd0(1/3)
Even though Komuro is pursuing his own music, he showed understanding for AI.
0038Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:16:01.98ID:w9Bbo1hE0(7/10)
I wonder if there’s a company that will write a haiku if you give it an image. I think Joe Hisaishi would be overjoyed to use AI back when he was making Minimum.
0039Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:16:22.41ID:6A2gAoOC0(1/2)
In the end, it’s something that people listen to and evaluate. Mechanically combining sounds to create a song no one has ever heard before is something that people have done before, so it has no artistic quality and is not systematized. That is a task that humans do, and music is a genre that AI is not good at.
0040Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:16:37.00ID:SHLbaS0G0
Right now I’m just learning existing songs, so what if I started learning songwriting and composition?
0042Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:17:38.61ID:ckPcoIsq0
Hisaishi-san is working hard on his overseas tours, I often see him in videos.
0043Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 15, 2024 (Sun) 06:17:45.41ID:BWV8Q5s50
That’s not true! AI can make masterpieces! So hurry up and make your masterpiece.
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Other languages: 作曲家・久石譲さん「生成AIに新しい曲は生み出せない」, Compositor Joe Hisaishi “La IA generativa no puede crear nuevas canciones”.

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