The Ministry of Finance and the media have said, “Raising the annual income barrier to 1.78 million yen will reduce revenue by 7.6 trillion yen,” while Kokumin Party leader Tamaki said, “On the contrary, people’s take-home pay will increase by 7 trillion yen.”

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1No thanks★.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:51:13.36ID:7/z7xKvl9
People’s Party leader Tamaki warns against negative reports claiming that “raising the annual income threshold will reduce revenue by 7.6 trillion yen” and that “on the contrary, the people’s take-home pay will increase by 7 trillion yen”
When asked by reporters about a report that the government had calculated that if the “1.03 million yen annual income threshold,” which was the party’s flagship policy in the House of Representatives election and income tax was revised to 1.78 million yen, it would result in a reduction in national and local tax revenues of about 7.6 trillion yen combined, Tamaki warned, “On the contrary, it’s good that the people have been made aware that the people’s take-home pay will increase by about 7 trillion yen.” On October 31, Tamaki wrote on his X (formerly Twitter) account, “The Ministry of Finance’s efforts to explain things to the media and other parties are truly effective. This morning’s morning papers were all full of negative campaigning, with comments like “7.6 trillion yen decrease in income” and “higher income earners will benefit more.”

Regarding the so-called “annual income wall,” the party argues that the minimum wage should be raised to 1.73 times 1.03 million yen, or 1.78 million yen, since it is 1.73 times higher than in 1995 when the current system was established.
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国民民主党の玉木雄一郎代表(55)が5日、国会内での定例会見に出席した。  同党が衆院選で看板政策として掲げた年収103万円を超えると所得税が課税される「年収103万円の壁」の見直しについて、1
30Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:34.33ID:pex/0Cau0
>>1
Prime Minister Abe: “We will not leave a debt to future generations” regarding the source of funds for free education
Does not exclude the possibility
July 23, 2017 13:01
Prime Minister Abe speaks at a forum held by the Japan Junior Chamber of Commerce (July 23, Yokohama) = Kyodo News
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe indicated on the 23rd that he would not exclude the use of education bonds, which are government bonds for educational purposes, as a source of funds for free higher education. “If we create a system that allows people to go to vocational college or university if they wish, they will earn an income in the future, which will increase tax revenue and create new wealth,” he pointed out. “There is also an argument that even if we borrow money now, future generations will not have to pay the bill,” he emphasized. The longest serving prime minister in Japanese history, Shinzo Abe, says, “The source of funds is government bonds!” (smugly)
Huh? Aren’t government bonds not the source of funds? Lol.
70Korean pickles ◆a9o2gkva8v2w.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:00:55.04ID:6uHEDa4r0
>>1
How about selling the Ministry of Finance’s assets, such as the housing complexes for Ministry of Finance employees, and using the money to make ends meet?
(^。 ^)y-.。 o○.
83Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:01:40.49ID:kxd1h9Nw0
>>1
What about invoices?
Have you tried to abolish them?
2Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:51:36.43ID:L4ZekYcJ0
Where does the funding come from?
Yes, that’s refuted.
5Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:52:19.79ID:siflJ94x0
>>2
The only way to fill the gap is to tax medical professionals and infectious disease specialists who have made huge profits from COVID-19.
For the time being.
45Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:57:20.65ID:M2WmEYim0
>>2
If it’s not enough, we can just borrow money (issue government bonds) as usual
Then we can print some 1 trillion yen bills and cancel them and the problem will be solved.
75Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:01:12.62ID:wK0AGbzT0
>>2
The source of funding each year is government bonds
Taxes are collected the following year.
6Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:52:20.57ID:ZyU/8EHD0
Please stop saying “government bonds are the source of funds” lol. Please say that the lack of funds can be made up by issuing government bonds. Understand basic terminology.
14Korean pickles ◆a9o2gkva8v2w.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:32.29ID:6uHEDa4r0
>>6
Instead of issuing government bonds, just print money
(^。 ^)y-.。 o○.
82Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:01:21.90ID:UXl7HTIY0
>>6
It’s okay because we’re increasing our revenue.
7Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:52:27.67ID:KXDOM9sx0
The average annual income in Japan is
composed of the following four
1. Average annual income of regular-employed men: 5.5 million yen
2. Average annual income of regular-employed women: 3.837 million yen
3. Average annual income of non-regular-employed men: 2.276 million yen
4. Average annual income of non-regular-employed women: 1.532 million yen
Then, the following four are weighted by number
1. Number of regular-employed men: 23.34 million (41.5%)
2. Number of regular-employed women: 12.21 million (21.7%)
3. Number of non-regular-employed men: 6.52 million (11.6%)
4. Number of non-regular-employed women: 14.13 million (25.1%)
1234Everyone benefits
It’s a good measure
Do it, Hayo.
9Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:52:59.08ID:owEGPhCT0
For low-income earners, consumption tax should be treated as withholding tax, and you can take your receipt to the tax office to get a refund, or get a poor person’s card and show it at the register to get a tax-free payment.
24Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:17.86ID:GmtuAdhN0
>>9
Use your My Number card and declare it on e-tax.
People who buy medicines do it.
10Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:02.08ID:Tv5wsj+x0
This plan only benefits working people, Reiwa supporters seem to say.
11Security Guard [lv.4] [Sprout].Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:03.76ID:0L3WmWy80
They quickly prepared 77 trillion for one year for the coronavirus pandemic. They should prepare the same amount for the ZYM pandemic.
12Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:12.14ID:lPtoKucR0
The basic deduction should be abolished. It’s like the opposite of welfare, taking money from non-working people through consumption tax without paying the basic deduction that working people should pay.
44Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:57:02.22ID:gCI00ERP0
>>12
That’s a salary income deduction.
13Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:25.50ID:2ibeqkmg0
If your take-home pay increases, there will be even greater synergistic effects, but they’re completely ignoring this.
20Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:54:33.12ID:32T3/JY90
>>13
But it just goes into savings, right?
Increasing consumption and increasing tax revenue is just an empty theory.
15Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:53:45.98ID:6LGDK0jE0
This was also interesting
Ishiba
“They should stop this policy of handing out money without showing the source of funds”
Yamamoto Taro
“The source of funds is government bonds”
Noda
“You should say that after showing the source of funds”
“No, I said government bonds”
“The opposition parties should show the source of funds properly”
Tamaki Yuichiro
“So I said government bonds are the source of funds”
Ishiba & Noda
“?”
Ishiba and Noda didn’t know that money is made up of credit creation in the first place lol.
22Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:54:59.66ID:ZyU/8EHD0
>>15
Of course you’d be surprised if they said “government bonds are the source of funds” lol
They’re saying that the lack of funds can be made up by issuing government bonds
I wonder if that’s okay, seriously.
23Security Guard [lv.4] [Sprout].Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:16.11ID:0L3WmWy80
>>15
Zaim’s explanation is lacking.
25Korean pickles ◆a9o2gkva8v2w.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:19.48ID:6uHEDa4r0
>>15
If it were me, I’d say
The source of funds is turning the press and printing money
(“⌒∇⌒”) Kyahaha.
19Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:54:18.14ID:xmfXr9NT0
The Constitutional Democratic Party of Japan also
mentioned expanding the basic deduction for income tax.
Understand the Constitutional Democratic Party’s policies in full.
Constitutional Democratic Party Policy Collection 2024
Tax system
Regarding income tax,

Expansion of the basic deduction.
27Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:28.00ID:4JX4M+5c0
>>20
It’s a one-time payment.
21Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:54:53.85ID:4JX4M+5c0
Why are you against it?
Increasing the deduction is a good thing.
32Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:51.83ID:32T3/JY90
>>21
It’s obvious that there will be a tax increase after the immediate tax cuts,
so when I ask about the source of funding, they don’t give a clear answer.
46Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:57:33.58ID:lPtoKucR0
>>21
That doesn’t make sense, the person who earns it has to pay. If we don’t change this distortion, social security costs will skyrocket.
50Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:58:20.74ID:K3Ua5vK00
>>21
It pisses me off when other people get the benefits! I’m unemployed and I have nothing!

Don’t get mad like this lol
If you worked you could get the benefits too.
29Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:31.54ID:owEGPhCT0
We need to raise the wages of convenience store part-timers and temporary car drivers, and we need to regulate the wages of care workers so that the higher-ups don’t take too much.
33Security Guard [lv.6] [Sprout].Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:53.13ID:jGEhJfyK0
Tell me what you’re going to do to make up the shortfall. Maybe raise corporate taxes or something. I don’t think they’re going to do it without thinking about it.
34Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:55:54.77ID:VtxanMmB0
On the contrary, it’s not a counterargument.
35Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:01.77ID:gCI00ERP0
What exactly do you mean by raising?
Should we raise the taxable amount or increase the basic deduction?
36Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:03.96ID:owEGPhCT0
Review of commission-based pay for temporary workers and other industries.
37Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:05.41ID:yPCAdx280
Even if you only have a high school diploma, if you get a normal job you can make over 2 million yen.

What about the people who are actually making 1.03 million to 1.78 million yen?
I guess they’re animators or people doing jobs they want even if they pay low wages.

48Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:57:48.66ID:GmtuAdhN0
>>37
It’s a student part-time job.
If you are no longer dependent on your parents, their tax bill will increase.
40Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:47.30ID:eYWOlNor0
If you want to improve the flow of water from a hose, it has to be of average thickness, right?
41Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:53.03ID:2ig9eynS0
If you’re so worried about funding, just cut personnel costs at the Ministry of Finance, the argumentative bureaucrat says.
42Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:56:54.28ID:r/QnWqxs0
Income tax is progressive, so even if the deduction amount is the same at 1.78 million yen, the higher the income, the more benefits the higher the income.
Income tax rate list
The Ministry of Finance and the media have said,
Benefits
Income 40 million yen (income tax rate 45%) 1.03 million deduction → 1.78 million yen deduction
Income 10 million yen (income tax rate 33%) 1.03 million deduction → 1.78 million yen deduction
Income 3 million yen (income tax rate 10%) 1.03 million deduction → 1.78 million yen deduction
No benefits
Income 1 million yen (income tax rate 0%) 1 million deduction → 1 million yen deduction.
49Korean pickles ◆a9o2gkva8v2w.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:58:19.02ID:6uHEDa4r0
It would be better if we shut down one or two government offices

Don’t raise taxes to build new ones
(^。 ^)y-.。 o○.

51Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:58:33.25ID:7jyM05aN0
Anyone who talks about “printing” money is ignorant about economics and money.
61Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:00:21.43ID:Rep2sTg+0
>>51
They’re printing government bonds.
91Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:02:45.93ID:MIKrGS8J0
>>53
So that’s why they’ve cut corporate taxes so much
But where did they get the money?
Why are Japanese people so lenient on corporate tax cuts and tax cuts for the rich, but so strict on tax cuts for ordinary people
In other countries, it’s usually the other way around
They’ve been so brainwashed by the Ministry of Finance and Keidanren.
58Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 19:59:50.05ID:ZyU/8EHD0
“The funding comes from government bonds” is so embarrassing for me, so stop it lol.
62Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:00:21.96ID:w6o2XMwK0
It will just increase the take-home pay of you rich people.
88Anonymous Donburako.Nov. 5, 2024 (Tue) 20:02:13.35ID:2ig9eynS0
The Ministry of Finance will have less work to do, so personnel costs can be cut. If they’re that worried about funding, the parties involved need to set an example.
Reference: https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1730803873, World Data and graph

Other languages: 財務省マスコミ含め「年収の壁178万円まで引き上げで7.6兆円減収」国民・玉木代表「逆に7兆円国民の手取りが増える」, Los medios de comunicación del Ministerio de Finanzas y otras fuentes dicen “Elevar la barrera del ingreso anual a 1,78 millones de yenes reducirá los ingresos en 7,6 billones de yenes”, dijo Tamaki, “por el contrario, el salario neto de la gente aumentará en un 7,6 billones de yenes”. billones de yenes”.

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