Why Ukrainians Regret Giving Up Nuclear Weapons 30 Years Ago

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30 years after Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons for security guarantees, many citizens now question and regret the decision.

1No thanks★.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:28:39.60ID:+F++hfXI9
[Explanation] Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons 30 years ago… Now citizens ask why they did it

Image: All of Ukraine’s missile silos capable of carrying nuclear warheads have been deactivated
A giant intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) peeks out from under a partially opened concrete and steel lid. But this missile is a replica. It’s cracked and moldy. For the past 30 years or so, the missile silo has been filled with rubble. The vast base near Pervomaisk in central Ukraine has been used as a museum for many years. Nearly three years after the start of Russia’s all-out invasion, and with no clear agreement among allies on how to guarantee post-war security, many Ukrainians believe the decision to give up nuclear weapons was a mistake. Thirty years ago, on December 5, 1994, in a ceremony in the Hungarian capital Budapest, Ukraine, along with Belarus and Kazakhstan, gave up its nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees from the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia. “I have pledged security guarantees to these three countries (Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan),” then-U.S. President Bill Clinton said in Budapest. “This underscores how much we attach importance to the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of these three countries.” Looking back on nearly a decade of suffering at the hands of Russia and the international community’s apparent inability or unwillingness to prevent it, Suschenko has come to an inescapable conclusion. “Looking at what is happening in Ukraine right now, my personal view is that it would have been a mistake to completely destroy all nuclear weapons.” Suschenko says: For more details, see source bbc 2024/12/7.
Many Ukrainians now regret giving up their nuclear weapons 30 years ago, trusting in the security guarantees provided by the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia.-0

【解説】 ウクライナは30年前に核兵器を放棄……なぜそうしたのかいま問う国民(BBC News) - Yahoo!ニュース
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47Hunter [Lv.51][SR Weapon][R Defense][Wood].Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:44:36.33ID:HKN2RNoX0
>>1
I learned that agreements and treaties with a hegemonic power are meaningless.
If it’s a nuclear-armed military power, it can do whatever it wants, and the surrounding countries will back off.
Nuclear proliferation bans and nuclear abolition are castles in the sand.
2Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:29:28.37ID:J92H/Nlh0
It’s more fun watching Peace-kun at Omiya Park on YouTube than in Ukraine.
3Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:30:07.61ID:IDlyo6nd0
Don’t believe anything America or Britain tells you.
4Security Guard [lv.2] [Sprout].Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:30:42.65ID:9mW0+N+q0
This is what they mean when they say it’s too late now.
5Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:30:57.20ID:UVdTGSb60
That’s true lol. I’ll keep having nukes, but I told you to get rid of them, and Ukraine was just too stupid to comply lol.
33Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:40:02.89ID:ls1H6YsM0
>>5
Japan (and some of its citizens) are also pretty stupid for cherishing Article 9 of the Constitution.
7Security Guard [lv.1] [Sprout].Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:31:33.13ID:08rkbVhL0
Isn’t it because they’re joining NATO?
8Kuromon ◆irmwjhgpjm.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:31:50.07ID:pTn+lpBC0
No other country will attack Russia because it has nukes. We have to have nuclear deterrence.
9Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:31:52.45ID:mllMEnkL0
Don’t trust them because they won’t give up their nukes.
10Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:32:17.51ID:NffDpe5O0
Being swayed by the intentions of great powers has been a common occurrence throughout history, in all parts of the world…
11Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:32:28.77ID:okeVLBMm0
Don’t leave your security to other countries.
12Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:32:42.30ID:sxnReBYb0
A fool looks at a pig’s ass.
13Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:33:13.17ID:pLLl1Mem0
I thought there was no way anyone would be stupid enough to attack a country that was home to Chernobyl, but apparently there were some idiots out there.
50Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:45:09.10ID:Il7B3Pf70
>>13
Apparently, that stupid country dug a trench in the contaminated area of ​​Chernobyl.
14Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:33:15.58ID:3g2MpEFf0
The theory of human goodness is stupid.
15Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:33:17.39ID:rDujukAO0
They didn’t do it because we scrapped it, they did it because we were hostile towards Russia.
16Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:33:28.97ID:LxpejDeP0
Even if politicians from 30 years ago were serious about keeping their promises,
as decades pass, generations of politicians change and they become different people,
it’s not surprising, sad as it is, that some politicians say they don’t know about the promises made back then and won’t keep them.
76Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:51:57.56ID:6XboxESO0
>>16
The president at the time was Yeltsin, not Putin lol.
17Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:33:29.70ID:mllMEnkL0
Don’t give other people the power of life and death.
18Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:34:21.19ID:bE5Q6s8M0
I guess nuclear weapons do suppress war after all. Japan should have them too, for peace and anti-war reasons.
20Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:36:15.61ID:F+KS1KVJ0
That’s a lie.
22Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:36:46.24ID:j067prgZ0
This was impossible, as poor Ukraine had no money to maintain it, and no technicians to manage it. In the first place, the nuclear weapons that Ukraine had at the time – that is, nuclear weapons made using technology from the former Soviet Union, now Russia – were simply deployed in Ukraine. Even if it wasn’t abandoned, it was impossible to maintain.
23Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:37:22.32ID:tBXbo+Hu0
There were a lot of Soviet nuclear weapons stored there, but they were maintained and managed by Russia.
24Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:37:26.78ID:to+iu6mU0
The world unanimously agreed to take it away because they don’t want Ukraine to have deteriorating nuclear warheads. We can’t allow a country controlled by the far-right Azov to have nuclear weapons.
26Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:38:08.08ID:rDujukAO0
Has Russia’s neighbor Belarus, which does not have nuclear weapons, been invaded by Russia?
What do you think?
48Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:44:40.29ID:y38DhbiR0
>>26
Instead of being invaded militarily, they set up a puppet government and treated them however they wanted.
27Security Guard [lv.29].Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:38:11.07ID:+5I/5PpI0
Trump is encouraging each country to help themselves from an economic standpoint, so there is a possibility that Japan could possess nuclear weapons. The next question is how serious Japanese politicians are about this.
28Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:38:18.31ID:E6ivbLBo0
Since Russia does not possess nuclear weapons, it cannot use tactical nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
30Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:39:01.98ID:ls1H6YsM0
Japan, having been attacked with nuclear weapons in the past, can justify possessing nuclear weapons.
56Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:46:48.83ID:y38DhbiR0
>>30
If only a few countries recognize it, then there’s no point in justifying it.
32Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:39:56.59ID:LbeBsneV0
It’s okay to have no evidence, and those who don’t believe are just being labeled as crazy and incited. Look at actions, not words. Only believe in evidence.
34Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:40:33.91ID:iO6gZofQ0
> US President Bill Clinton This guy was a real idiot.
36Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:41:08.23ID:4C1mtTgO0
2029: Four years after being attacked and invaded by China, Japan “regrets not abandoning Article 9 of the Constitution.”
38Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:42:32.40ID:d5RE5SdR0
>We can’t allow a country controlled by the far-right Azov to have nukes. That’s all. Why is Azov siding with the country’s ruling party?
40Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:43:06.00ID:MTsFKE6v0
Surely it would be normal to show off that you’ve returned them and leave a few behind. Are you a B-girl, Ukup-san?
42Security Guard [lv.30] [Seedling].Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:43:33.83ID:dIxO2li10
Even if threatened by the US or Russia, North Korea wouldn’t leave it there.
43Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:43:44.60ID:nq7WluP60
Japs clinging to things that don’t even exist, like a nuclear umbrella lol.
46Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:44:28.54ID:xrf8uiyr0
“Guaranteeing security” is such a silly phrase…
51!ninja.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:45:18.97ID:WXIMp8f20
Why did Japan create something like the Three Non-Nuclear Principles and bind itself to them?
54Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:46:36.54ID:ZhuDHrGx0
This will make North Korea even more determined to get nuclear weapons. China is involved in security, so stop Russia lol.
58Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:47:49.49ID:wFQwGPU/0
Article 9 of the Constitution: “And so…”
60Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:48:05.18ID:yxhXGv+S0
It seems that this war is the result of repeated provocations from the Ukrainian side. In the end, it’s Ukraine’s own fault.
63Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:49:05.00ID:y38DhbiR0
>>60
That’s just Russia’s side’s argument.
72Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:51:11.82ID:l1yhs5zm0
>>60
Even if they provoke you, if you have nukes you’re not being invaded.
68Anonymous Donburako.Dec. 8, 2024 (Sun) 22:50:38.05ID:CW8K7q470
After seeing this, North Korea and Kim Jong Un will never give up their nuclear weapons.
Reference: https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1733664519

Other languages: 多くのウクライナ国民、30年前に核兵器を放棄したことを後悔、米・英・仏・中・露による安全保障を信じて破棄した今, Muchos ucranianos lamentan haber renunciado a sus armas nucleares hace 30 años, creyendo en la seguridad que brindan Estados Unidos, Gran Bretaña, Francia, China y Rusia.

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