0001@Old Man Friends Club ★ Security Guard [lv.8] [Sprout].Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:26:03.39ID:PJoVZWcD9
“Are there any people who can devote themselves to research and development day and night?” An executive at Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., Ltd. (TSMC) asked this question to a graduate school professor at a national university in Japan in late August 2024. When the professor tried to confirm the specifics, a TSMC executive gave a clear answer. “Japanese people work less than expected, but it should be different for students who can obtain a doctorate. “We want to actively build a wide range of routes to accept them.”
TSMC opened its first factory in Kikuyo, Kumamoto Prefecture in February 2012. The operating company, JASM, was established with joint investment from Sony Group and DENSO. Construction of the second factory is also scheduled to begin within 2024, with Toyota Motor Corporation also joining in as an investor, aiming for it to be operational at the end of 2027. Both factories will also act as a gateway for gathering talented people from Japan. “We will work hard, even in fire or water, to provide the best possible service for our customers.” TSMC’s research and development is unique, as the words of its founder, Morris Chang, permeate the company. One glimpse of this could be seen in the fierce technology competition that unfolded between 2014 and 2016 with South Korea’s Samsung Electronics and the United States’ Intel. Read more in Nikkei Business (some content is paid) 2024/10/11
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tsmc travels around the country to get a PhD: “Japanese people work less than expected, but that shouldn’t be the case for students who can get a PhD. We want to create a wide range of routes to actively accept people like you.” [Old Men’s Friends Association★]
TSMC opened its first factory in Kikuyo, Kumamoto Prefecture in February 2012. The operating company, JASM, was established with joint investment from Sony Group and DENSO. Construction of the second factory is also scheduled to begin within 2024, with Toyota Motor Corporation also joining in as an investor, aiming for it to be operational at the end of 2027. Both factories will also act as a gateway for gathering talented people from Japan. “We will work hard, even in fire or water, to provide the best possible service for our customers.” TSMC’s research and development is unique, as the words of its founder, Morris Chang, permeate the company. One glimpse of this could be seen in the fierce technology competition that unfolded between 2014 and 2016 with South Korea’s Samsung Electronics and the United States’ Intel. Read more in Nikkei Business (some content is paid) 2024/10/11
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tsmc travels around the country to get a PhD: “Japanese people work less than expected, but that shouldn’t be the case for students who can get a PhD. We want to create a wide range of routes to actively accept people like you.” [Old Men’s Friends Association★]
[新連載]TSMC、博士獲得へ全国行脚 「昼夜問わず仕事できる人材」
日本進出で人材確保を強化するTSMC。「昼夜を問わず研究開発に没頭できる人材」として照準を当てるのは博士人材。キャリアイベントなどで大学との連携を強化し人材確保を目指す。
TSMC、博士獲得へ全国行脚「日本人は想定より働かないが博士号を取得できる学生なら違うはず。積極的に受け入れるルートを広く築きたい」 [おっさん友の会★]
0006Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:29:30.42ID:+SpBWngo0(1/2)
>>1
>Japanese people work less than expected
Unexpected.
>Japanese people work less than expected
Unexpected.
0044Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:43:24.77ID:n69Wwyk60(1/2)
>>1
New graduates?
Mid-career hire?
Part-time?
It all depends on the employer.
And when it comes to whether you work or not,
how do they want you to work?
People need to be nurtured.
New graduates?
Mid-career hire?
Part-time?
It all depends on the employer.
And when it comes to whether you work or not,
how do they want you to work?
People need to be nurtured.
0004Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:28:54.24ID:jf6yXOY20
The Japanese are just incompetent.
0005Security Guard [lv.13] [Seedling].Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:29:23.51ID:PN0xZ/2g0
There are a lot of people who are like an extension of their students.
0007Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:29:51.49ID:+uBRb1kC0
In Japan, there is a lot of unnecessary work, so even people in science don’t spend all their time researching day and night, and there are only a handful of decent people who get a PhD. For better or worse, unfortunately, Japan today does not have the hunger of Asia.
0008Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:30:00.45ID:eP7Tb+7×0
It can’t be helped, since Jap’s goal is to get into a good company.
0010Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:30:43.93ID:B8rtPPfl0
>He’ll go through life and death for his customers
I guess this is what it’s like when things are going well.
I guess this is what it’s like when things are going well.
0011Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:30:54.63ID:Xw1sZgp80(1/3)
Does the work here involve manually operating equipment and retrieving process parameters?
I don’t really want to do it even if people say it’s lazy lol.
I don’t really want to do it even if people say it’s lazy lol.
0013Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:32:56.62ID:0X0cfhrn0(1/2)
The days of hard working Japanese people are over. Now everyone just wants to make money the easy way.
0014Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:32:59.30ID:QlDi6RsS0
Subcontracting here is pretty tough, so even if a PhD gets a job, he’s likely to quit soon after.
0015Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:34:00.92ID:lUU8j53T0
Japanese companies: “We don’t want people with PhDs because they’re too much of a pain to deal with, we want slaves who obey orders.”
Global companies: “Japanese people are less competent than we thought, but we’d love to have people with PhDs work for us.”
This is why Japanese companies are falling into decline…
Global companies: “Japanese people are less competent than we thought, but we’d love to have people with PhDs work for us.”
This is why Japanese companies are falling into decline…
0018Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:35:11.24ID:Xw1sZgp80(2/3)
Is it a waste to let the prototype equipment sit overnight, so they take three shifts to work in the clean room? I don’t think a doctor is the right person for the job lol.
0063Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:47:24.35ID:jUEXgEOD0(1/7)
>>18
It’s not a prototype device.
It’s a mass-produced device like Amat.
It uses BKM.
Who would do something like that under a Taiwanese person?
It’s not a prototype device.
It’s a mass-produced device like Amat.
It uses BKM.
Who would do something like that under a Taiwanese person?
0019Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:35:34.69ID:NZGrKsUT0
The Showa era was a time when Japanese people worked extremely hard. Nowadays, there doesn’t seem to be much of a strong desire to succeed at all costs in order to live a good life. You can live a fairly comfortable life even if you’re not that successful.
0021Hunter [lv.14] [wood].Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:37:18.93ID:Tb8Y6LCQ0
It’s all thanks to Prime Minister Ishiba.
0022Security guard [lv.5].Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:37:34.93ID:yNn1URCk0
Japanese companies won’t hire people with social anxiety or developmental disabilities who are so absorbed in research and development lol.
0025Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:38:27.49ID:RYcYcj/Q0(1/2)
In other countries today, they say you have to work to your death because they’ll pay you. Japan is a step behind and is still talking nonsense about work-life balance. Well, it’s because there are companies that don’t pay you but make you work to your death.
0026Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:38:40.95ID:VpoNmXBG0
Apparently in Taiwan, research and development was carried out on a 24-hour basis, so I guess there are a lot of college graduates who don’t like the three-shift system.
0027Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:38:43.79ID:M5FsPRB40
This has changed with the work style reform.
0028Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:39:34.70ID:/OKPoCHH0(1/2)
TSMC and Samsung. New businesses are stranded in America because of a shortage of 200,000 engineers. Why did you think they would be in Japan? They should stop. This is a job for a developing country with room to grow in the future.
0029Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:39:44.55ID:LTmk0Rx00
Even now, top trading companies pay salaries of over 10 million yen, but they say the lifespan is short. It’s easier to make money by being anti-Japanese on NHK.
0030Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:39:58.23ID:6Tlce3890
TSMC… is it a stable company? No one would want to join a company that closed down in less than 10 years.
0031Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:40:00.98ID:wVA3vzvF0(1/2)
Is Taiwan now in the Showa era Japan mode?
Are they running commercials asking things like “Can you work 24 hours a day?”
Are they running commercials asking things like “Can you work 24 hours a day?”
0037Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:41:32.87ID:mAcH3JRr0
>>31
Both China and Taiwan follow the Showa era Japanese model.
Both China and Taiwan follow the Showa era Japanese model.
0050Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:44:56.23ID:0X0cfhrn0(2/2)
>>31
I mean, America is the best
They’re really working all the time.
I mean, America is the best
They’re really working all the time.
0076Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:49:50.16ID:yvC1XjgV0(2/2)
>>31
When you go to Taiwan, even children work at food stalls. And it was night.
When you go to Taiwan, even children work at food stalls. And it was night.
0032Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:40:05.92ID:vc6NKbo50
There really are more and more idiots now. Are there any students these days who are useful?
0034Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:40:59.25ID:wVA3vzvF0(2/2)
>>32
At least middle and high school students these days are very serious and study a lot.
At least middle and high school students these days are very serious and study a lot.
0046Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:44:02.35ID:RaBmZXJt0
>>32
Everyone is smarter nowadays
You only find Yankees in the countryside and everyone is serious
Anyone over 35 is an idiot
But the world is just more serious.
Everyone is smarter nowadays
You only find Yankees in the countryside and everyone is serious
Anyone over 35 is an idiot
But the world is just more serious.
0053Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:45:57.89ID:GDih79dG0(2/2)
>>32
The relaxed atmosphere is over, and today’s college and graduate students are excellent.
They are being brought up in the most difficult curriculum ever.
The relaxed atmosphere is over, and today’s college and graduate students are excellent.
They are being brought up in the most difficult curriculum ever.
0033Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:40:17.60ID:lra1lPnK0(1/2)
Well, I guess in Japan today, if you live and work the way I do, you can’t stay at the cutting edge. Japanese technology will fall into disuse.
0035Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:41:03.19ID:0/IBBCTs0
Japanese people in the Showa era brag about working 200 hours of overtime, while Japanese people in the Reiwa era commit suicide after working 80 hours of overtime.
0042Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:43:13.48ID:B+gNw07y0
>>35
Well, the pay system was such that you could work 200 hours and still get some money back…
The old folks back then were getting their pensions in shambles and making a living.
Well, the pay system was such that you could work 200 hours and still get some money back…
The old folks back then were getting their pensions in shambles and making a living.
0038Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:41:36.75ID:122T2iTR0(1/4)
Nowadays, if you work you get punished.
0039Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:41:51.30ID:bbDa5JW+0
So the reason Japan’s productivity isn’t increasing is because Japanese people are sloths lol.
0040Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:42:07.98ID:A5G5ABC90
If you want hardworking people, hire old guys from before the Yutori era, otherwise young people today won’t work.
0043Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:43:20.52ID:r5Gi7uxG0
Wouldn’t it be better to catch some motivated and intelligent high school students and train them?
0045Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:43:53.28ID:MyaMuh/U0(1/8)
It’s like the story of the tortoise and the hare lol. I’ve been slacking off for 30 years out of complacency and now it’s paying the price.
0047Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:44:09.41ID:GDih79dG0(1/2)
People other than university professors are rare, so if you need one, you have no choice but to hire a master’s degree and send them to graduate school with company money to train them.
But do factories really need PhDs?
Isn’t development done in Taiwan?
But do factories really need PhDs?
Isn’t development done in Taiwan?
0048Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:44:11.07ID:euDsRIX90
Japanese people are only good at taking their time and feeling like they are doing a job, and their productivity is low.
0056Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:46:24.23ID:MyaMuh/U0(2/8)
>>48
I always have so little to do that I can slack off,
but everyone around me is silently doing something…
It’s so strange.
I always have so little to do that I can slack off,
but everyone around me is silently doing something…
It’s so strange.
0049Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:44:51.65ID:EMKOkmpG0
Nowadays, people are moving in the direction of not working as much as they used to. In the past, it took a lot of effort to falsify documents.
0054Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:46:08.76ID:BZe9co+70(2/2)
I’m just doing what I’m instructed to do. Because it’s easier lol.
0059Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:46:44.15ID:U7CEBI1E0
Are you willing to work even if it means ruining your life?
0060Security Guard [lv.5] [Sprout].Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:46:45.13ID:b2RJzmBC0(1/3)
You can’t get a PhD unless you’ve suffered academic harassment or have suffered from it, so I think you’re an idiot for even looking for one.
0061Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:47:02.56ID:WnLoKhjE0
Anyway, information is leaking to China and Korea via Line and TikTok, so don’t underestimate the naivety of Japanese people lol.
0065Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 11, 2024 (Fri) 18:47:34.26ID:122T2iTR0(3/4)
Apparently the temp agency taught him to “just do what he’s told.”
Other languages: TSMC、博士獲得へ全国行脚「日本人は想定より働かないが博士号を取得できる学生なら違うはず。積極的に受け入れるルートを築きたい」, TSMC realiza un viaje por todo el país para obtener un doctorado “Los japoneses trabajan menos de lo esperado, pero debería ser diferente si son estudiantes que pueden obtener un doctorado. Quiero construir una ruta que los acepte activamente”.
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