Chinese automakers like BYD and MG are shifting focus to hybrid vehicles, challenging Toyota’s dominance in the market.
1Insect encyclopedia ★.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:39:37.17ID:pUAbFj4C
On December 26, 2024, the Chinese-language website of French international broadcaster RFI introduced a report from French newspaper Le Monde stating that Chinese automakers are focusing on the production of hybrid vehicles. According to RFI, the Le Monde article states that as the number of registered hybrid vehicles in France increases and sales of pure fossil fuel vehicles decrease, BYD and MG, a subsidiary of SAIC Motor, are shifting the focus of their European sales from electric vehicles to hybrid vehicles and are taking measures against EU tariffs. BYD is focusing on plug-in hybrid vehicles (PHEVs) and is preparing production at a factory it plans to build in Hungary. MG will begin selling highly price-competitive hybrid vehicles priced at around 20,000 euros (3.3 million yen) from June this year, and is expected to release a new model next year, with the company reporting that it intends to have hybrid vehicles account for three-quarters of its sales volume next year. BYD Group Vice President Li Ke added, “By introducing a model capable of speeds of 120 kilometers per hour, we hope to change consumers’ perception of PHEVs. Even if the battery runs out, fuel consumption is just over four liters per 100 kilometers,” he said, expressing confidence in sales of PHEVs in Europe. The article states that while Toyota has had a monopoly on hybrid vehicles to date, in recent years European and Korean automakers have also shown varying degrees of interest in the technology as it helps keep carbon dioxide emissions below European standards. Renault, the French automaker that leads the hybrid car market in France, said it, like Toyota, is targeting primarily older consumers with above-average incomes. Meanwhile, Stellantis Group, which owns brands such as Peugeot, Citroen, and Fiat, and Volkswagen Group, which owns Audi, Skoda, and Seat, predict that EVs will take off quickly and are adopting mild hybrid systems, which have lower output from the electric motor compared to conventional hybrid vehicles and improve fuel efficiency. He went on to say that everyone now recognizes that electrification is the direction history is heading in, and that Chinese brands in particular have placed electrification at the heart of their strategies, with the sale of hybrid vehicles in Europe simply being part of the process. (Edited and translated by Kawajiri)
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12<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:53:19.90ID:kFk7gUg3
>>1
The manufacturing process of electric cars produces a lot of carbon dioxide lol
They just don’t seem to know about that.
The manufacturing process of electric cars produces a lot of carbon dioxide lol
They just don’t seem to know about that.
41<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:24:36.36ID:TwBTllyr
>>1
Series hybrid vehicles are the best solution.
Series hybrid vehicles are the best solution.
50<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:45:58.79ID:UmAR/sSS
>>1
The durability of the engine.
The durability of the engine.
60<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:00:54.98ID:3VkgyVYJ
>>1
They can make hybrids
They can’t make hybrids like Toyota
Not because it’s China, but because it’s anyone other than Toyota.
They can make hybrids
They can’t make hybrids like Toyota
Not because it’s China, but because it’s anyone other than Toyota.
2<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:41:17.19ID:mt9FaOLG
It’s not easy to generate electricity.
4<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:42:43.48ID:rUD4Bimw
They gave up, that’s why they specialized in EVs. First off, the engine.
6<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:45:39.01ID:FCjPpQoe
In Europe, they have mild hybrids because they lack the technology, but for some reason Japanese car critics are praising them.
7Security guard [lv.15].Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:49:32.70ID:HXWNmqFe
>>6
Because they’re getting paid.
Because they’re getting paid.
62<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:02:47.50ID:FfX/Qg3d
>>7
Why are you speaking broken Japanese?
Why are you speaking broken Japanese?
8◆65537pnpsa.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:52:24.03ID:Zj5Q0k7V
Are Chrysler and Ford still around?
21Horse Racing General@Tiger ◆beerjj8yso.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:03:05.76ID:yILRSP+v
>>8
Ford is alive.
Ford is alive.
36<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:17:12.52ID:LAd5RUul
>>8
Ford is doing fine somehow
will be supplying engines to Red Bull F1 from 2026
Chrysler is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Fiat
and is under the umbrella of a corporate group that includes Alfa Romeo and Citroen
GM is probably doing the best
The best-selling car model in America is the Chevrolet pickup truck
Cadillac will be participating in F1 from next year
Well, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, developed jointly with LG, is plagued by a storm of recalls.
Ford is doing fine somehow
will be supplying engines to Red Bull F1 from 2026
Chrysler is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Fiat
and is under the umbrella of a corporate group that includes Alfa Romeo and Citroen
GM is probably doing the best
The best-selling car model in America is the Chevrolet pickup truck
Cadillac will be participating in F1 from next year
Well, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, developed jointly with LG, is plagued by a storm of recalls.
9<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:52:40.22ID:gVE4/jni
The hybrid patent has expired so manufacturers around the world have started making them. However, Toyota probably still owns the latest related patents.
30<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:14:14.57ID:H6+8QMl+
>>9
There’s probably a lot of know-how that’s intentionally not patented and kept private.
There’s probably a lot of know-how that’s intentionally not patented and kept private.
51<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:48:04.13ID:rDqypjdL
>>9
The patent has been made public, and Toyota said something like “Just because it’s public doesn’t mean it’s that easy to make.”
The patent has been made public, and Toyota said something like “Just because it’s public doesn’t mean it’s that easy to make.”
71<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:11:38.33ID:MKqrD8iq
>>9
Even if the patents are open,
the know-how is kept secret.
Even if the patents are open,
the know-how is kept secret.
90<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:44:21.38ID:8ZQxuawP
>>9
Hybrid patents were released quite early on, weren’t they?
Hybrid patents were released quite early on, weren’t they?
11<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:53:09.72ID:XXU0T+ru
Even if we shift to hybrid vehicles, I think we’ll end up moving in the same direction as America, excluding Chinese products, including raw materials.
13<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:55:49.61ID:IY8RWRpJ
Didn’t Toyota reveal its hybrid technology in the first place?
16<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:58:23.08ID:rUD4Bimw
>>13
Isn’t the hydrogen FCV the one that was made available for free?
Isn’t the hydrogen FCV the one that was made available for free?
95<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:50:31.00ID:HKCC6fdI
>>13
I heard they made the initial HV patents public,
but China and Europe reacted negatively and went for EVs lol.
I heard they made the initial HV patents public,
but China and Europe reacted negatively and went for EVs lol.
14<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 08:56:53.53ID:e+PIz4XT
I laughed at the image of Americans putting generators in their EVs because it’s inconvenient to charge them.
17<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:00:09.77ID:1IA5tg2f
A while ago, Chinese-made bikes dominated the Southeast Asian market, but since then, they’ve disappeared completely. Apparently there were too many breakdowns. I expect the same thing will happen in the automotive world.
18◆65537pnpsa.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:00:34.40ID:Zj5Q0k7V
However, I do wish Japanese cars would put a bit more effort into their interiors and exteriors.
23<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:03:58.35ID:rUD4Bimw
>>18
That’s a matter of innate sensitivity, so leave it to the Italians.
That’s a matter of innate sensitivity, so leave it to the Italians.
25<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:06:55.28ID:bY3daVRO
>>18
But I really don’t want it to be a touch screen.
But I really don’t want it to be a touch screen.
20<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:02:47.62ID:kFk7gUg3
Chinese and Korean cars are considered “weapons” so it’s your own fault.
22Horse Racing General@Tiger ◆beerjj8yso.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:03:49.78ID:yILRSP+v
I’m a Toyota fan, so Toyota is everything.
27<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:11:50.25ID:1IA5tg2f
Toyota’s technology is overwhelming the world.
Hydrogen vehicles are also very effective for specific purposes.
President Online
2024/11/23 7:00
Chairman Akio Toyoda’s strategy was correct… The shocking fact that “the majority of taxis running in Paris are Japanese hybrid cars”
– European manufacturers without decent hybrid technology will face a period of decline –
Most taxis running in Paris are Toyota hybrid cars
> The Lexus ES in particular costs 60,000 euros (about 10 million yen) locally
> I was surprised to see them quite frequently, despite their high price. There are a total of 1,500 Toyota Mirai taxis in Paris.
Hydrogen vehicles are also very effective for specific purposes.
President Online
2024/11/23 7:00
Chairman Akio Toyoda’s strategy was correct… The shocking fact that “the majority of taxis running in Paris are Japanese hybrid cars”
– European manufacturers without decent hybrid technology will face a period of decline –
Most taxis running in Paris are Toyota hybrid cars
> The Lexus ES in particular costs 60,000 euros (about 10 million yen) locally
> I was surprised to see them quite frequently, despite their high price. There are a total of 1,500 Toyota Mirai taxis in Paris.
32Horse Racing General@Tiger ◆beerjj8yso.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:14:33.77ID:DYNxCNXF
>>27
In Japan, you only see mirai every now and then, but it seems to be quite common in France.
In Japan, you only see mirai every now and then, but it seems to be quite common in France.
31<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:14:20.68ID:ZW+7u3DN
I saw this on NHK Special on HV Manufacturing
A small and medium-sized parts factory under Toyota that tries every possible way to make things even a single yen cheaper
Twenty years have passed since then, and the level of perfection is so different that no overseas company can keep up anymore.
34<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:15:22.53ID:1IA5tg2f
If you plan on using it mostly outside of the city, a hybrid vehicle may not be worth it, as the weight of the motor and battery will reduce fuel efficiency.
38<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:20:44.34ID:1IA5tg2f
If you use it in the city, Japanese minicars have the smallest environmental impact. If you consider everything from manufacturing to disposal, it’s overwhelming. A two-ton BEV is very good for the environment. I don’t understand why.
44<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:28:50.08ID:DqgFH9tY
Gasoline prices are so high in Europe that it feels like 300 yen/liter. So hybrid cars have high initial costs, but you can quickly recoup the cost.
46<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:34:09.46ID:DqgFH9tY
I’m a novice so I’d like someone who knows more about it to explain it to me.
Why do hybrid cars have better fuel economy in the first place?
Regenerative braking is easy to understand, but are there other mechanisms as well?
In situations where you don’t use the brakes much, such as when you’re just driving on an empty highway, is the fuel economy not much different from that of a gasoline car?
59<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:59:18.27ID:UM+G88Qa
>>46
(1) The thermal efficiency of the engine has improved. However, it is at a disadvantage when starting or at low speeds, so the motor compensates for this.
(2) Idling stop is enabled.
(3) Energy is recovered during deceleration.
(1) The thermal efficiency of the engine has improved. However, it is at a disadvantage when starting or at low speeds, so the motor compensates for this.
(2) Idling stop is enabled.
(3) Energy is recovered during deceleration.
47<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:40:31.40ID:IlqC+hZY
Aren’t hybrids supposed to convert power into electricity and store it?
So the amount of gasoline used to run them is stored and they run on electricity,
so they get better fuel economy?
So the amount of gasoline used to run them is stored and they run on electricity,
so they get better fuel economy?
49<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:44:10.30ID:DqgFH9tY
>>47
Obviously, the electricity is generated by the engine, which means it consumes gasoline, so it’s not free.
Gasoline cars consume a lot of fuel when accelerating, so the motor assists that and improves fuel efficiency! That’s the logic I understand.
Obviously, the electricity is generated by the engine, which means it consumes gasoline, so it’s not free.
Gasoline cars consume a lot of fuel when accelerating, so the motor assists that and improves fuel efficiency! That’s the logic I understand.
54<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:51:12.01ID:IW3fne4z
In the first place, you can’t make a hybrid, Japan holds the patent, you know?
56<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 09:54:42.06ID:gteM+fKe
BYD wants to sell PHEVs, so that’s completely different from the idea of strengthening the same model as Toyota’s hybrids. BYD’s PHEVs can be purchased from 1.6 million yen and have a range of about 2500km, so people who are dissatisfied with the range of BEVs have another option.
98<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:51:43.27ID:csgqalNl
>>56
2500km lol
That’s the first time I’ve heard of a catalogue scam like that.
2500km lol
That’s the first time I’ve heard of a catalogue scam like that.
64<丶`∀´>(´・ω・`)(`Ha´ )san.Dec. 28, 2024 (Sat) 10:06:07.31ID:v1LOLft/
A Chinese hybrid? It looks like it’s going to burn and I’m excited.
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