0001No thanks★.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:53:45.97ID:51A6yfGI9
The rule of thumb for individuals investing is always, “It went down, but so what?”
Individuals don’t have accounting periods
When you see a big drop, you tend to think, “I’ve suffered a big loss,” but that’s actually an “unrealized loss,” and the difference between the original price and the current price is just an armchair number. There will be no “realized loss” unless you sell. This is a big difference from professional investors whose investment performance is evaluated quarterly. Dollar cost averaging, which involves continuing to invest the same amount in a financial product whose price fluctuates, allows you to buy more when the price falls. When you purchase apples with a budget of 1,000 yen, you can only buy 10 apples if they cost 100 yen each, but if the same apples drop in price by half the next month, you can buy 20 apples. If the price rises to 500 yen the following month, you will only be able to buy two. Over the three months, he invested 3,000 yen in capital but only obtained 32 apples, at a unit price of just under 94 yen. The purchasing cost has been reduced compared to 100 yen per piece. It’s simple arithmetic, but regular investment is a device that automatically provides this “cost reduction effect.” In other words, downturns become valuable nutrients. Even if you start at the peak of the bubble, you can still make a profit if you make an investment. Let’s look at the price movements of the Nikkei average. Let’s assume that you have continued to invest 1.2 million yen per year, within the NISA investment limit, every year since 1989, when the bubble peaked (38,915 yen). The principal over 36 years will balloon to 43.2 million yen. If you had invested a lump sum at the high end of the market, you would naturally incur a loss of just under 10% if the price fell below 36,000 yen. However, when it comes to installment investment, it is the increased purchases made during a downturn that make the difference. Even at the level after the sharp drop on the 2nd, it would still have a large unrealized gain of more than 50 million yen. If you understand this mechanism, you will be able to see the occasional turbulent market conditions as valuable purchasing opportunities. If you sell it now you will miss that opportunity. However, it can be scary to start investing in the middle of a volatile market. You might think, “I’ll wait until I calm down a bit.” But that doesn’t mean much. After all, if you think of it as long-term investment with monthly savings, the impact is only 1/120 over 10 years and 1/240 over 20 years. The “opening price” doesn’t really matter when it comes to deciding at what price to start investing. For details, see source 2024/8/4.
Individuals don’t have accounting periods
When you see a big drop, you tend to think, “I’ve suffered a big loss,” but that’s actually an “unrealized loss,” and the difference between the original price and the current price is just an armchair number. There will be no “realized loss” unless you sell. This is a big difference from professional investors whose investment performance is evaluated quarterly. Dollar cost averaging, which involves continuing to invest the same amount in a financial product whose price fluctuates, allows you to buy more when the price falls. When you purchase apples with a budget of 1,000 yen, you can only buy 10 apples if they cost 100 yen each, but if the same apples drop in price by half the next month, you can buy 20 apples. If the price rises to 500 yen the following month, you will only be able to buy two. Over the three months, he invested 3,000 yen in capital but only obtained 32 apples, at a unit price of just under 94 yen. The purchasing cost has been reduced compared to 100 yen per piece. It’s simple arithmetic, but regular investment is a device that automatically provides this “cost reduction effect.” In other words, downturns become valuable nutrients. Even if you start at the peak of the bubble, you can still make a profit if you make an investment. Let’s look at the price movements of the Nikkei average. Let’s assume that you have continued to invest 1.2 million yen per year, within the NISA investment limit, every year since 1989, when the bubble peaked (38,915 yen). The principal over 36 years will balloon to 43.2 million yen. If you had invested a lump sum at the high end of the market, you would naturally incur a loss of just under 10% if the price fell below 36,000 yen. However, when it comes to installment investment, it is the increased purchases made during a downturn that make the difference. Even at the level after the sharp drop on the 2nd, it would still have a large unrealized gain of more than 50 million yen. If you understand this mechanism, you will be able to see the occasional turbulent market conditions as valuable purchasing opportunities. If you sell it now you will miss that opportunity. However, it can be scary to start investing in the middle of a volatile market. You might think, “I’ll wait until I calm down a bit.” But that doesn’t mean much. After all, if you think of it as long-term investment with monthly savings, the impact is only 1/120 over 10 years and 1/240 over 20 years. The “opening price” doesn’t really matter when it comes to deciding at what price to start investing. For details, see source 2024/8/4.
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0012Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:58:14.23ID:aBnHBisU0
So it’s about gathering nutrients to escape.
>>1.
>>1.
0088Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:12:44.44ID:t3At17fe0(1/2)
>>1
Nikkei: “Individuals should become nutrients”^^.
Nikkei: “Individuals should become nutrients”^^.
0093Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:13:33.46ID:t6YNGX1N0
>>1
Don’t think everyone has grip strength lol.
Don’t think everyone has grip strength lol.
0003Security guard [lv.20].Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:54:37.74ID:JFQvfyNF0
Still cheating.
0004Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:55:45.49ID:/5V0g/8l0
If he escapes now, the adults won’t be able to sell him out.
0006Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:56:12.24ID:2NWKA7Ge0
It’s like a revolving payment.
0007Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:56:15.67ID:3nmQYgz+0
But it’s been dropping for a while now, so I think it’s best to stop for a while.
0035Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:17.99ID:ywhljljO0
>>7
I’m telling you, you can buy a lot when the price goes down, and that will lead to profits. Are you stupid?
I’m telling you, you can buy a lot when the price goes down, and that will lead to profits. Are you stupid?
0008Security Guard [lv.5] [Sprout].Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:56:18.49ID:JZ9iiB950
Well, without nutrients there’s no profit.
0009Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:56:24.44ID:hYbU1jcp0
Individuals are fertilizer for the market.
0010Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:57:29.27ID:yPTQN3pg0
Well, if they are sold as pani, there will be no nutrients left.
0011Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:58:11.58ID:popxO2X10
Anyone who doesn’t see this as an opportunity to buy at Difficulty would be best off staying away.
0043Security Guard [lv.1] [Sprout].Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:05:15.88ID:YYAft2um0(2/3)
>>11
This is a turning point in the domestic and foreign interest rate differential, so averaging down will only widen the wound.
This is a turning point in the domestic and foreign interest rate differential, so averaging down will only widen the wound.
0014Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:58:20.51ID:yxKZFG5J0
Then don’t demand additional collateral.
0030Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:34.43ID:0pZSn7/20
>>14
No, not for individual contributors.
No, not for individual contributors.
0065Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:08:14.18ID:kY0Ethg10
>>14
Then don’t take credit.
If you do it as a regular savings plan, you won’t have to pay a margin call.
Then don’t take credit.
If you do it as a regular savings plan, you won’t have to pay a margin call.
0016Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:59:16.84ID:57W7XrNP0
Hold on to it for more than ten years. I’m sorry, but there’s a chance that individual companies will end up like garbage like Japanese electronics manufacturers and the Big 3.
0017Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:59:23.35ID:K+pBGLgw0
As the saying goes, running away is winning.
0018Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 12:59:28.07ID:rcBr3YUw0
Also, normally, people would make such a random decision and then sell or hedge by short selling and wait until the market turns up.
0053Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:06:20.50ID:XjtvgWA20(1/6)
>>18
If you knew that, it would definitely be a plus.
Since you don’t know, it’s recommended to continue saving.
If you knew that, it would definitely be a plus.
Since you don’t know, it’s recommended to continue saving.
0020Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:00:02.61ID:ryvKtVKg0
Buy when it’s low and sell when it’s high. Don’t make savings in stocks.
0021Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:00:09.48ID:F37HaqJD0(2/10)
You guys just hold on to it and wait until we run away, that’s what it means, I understand.
0022Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:00:50.34ID:SyqvkyYs0(1/2)
If I’m still alive lol.
0023Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:01:58.42ID:5lzQNWeo0(1/5)
It’s true that it wasn’t originally intended that way, but if you’re not going to do it, then you should just accept it and let it sink.
0024Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:01:59.36ID:2DRjaJRs0
I sold out three weeks ago, so now I’m just watching from the sidelines and buying back at the lowest price.
0031Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:40.43ID:F37HaqJD0(3/10)
>>24
That’s right, buying at the high price and holding onto it for 30 years is stupid, you should sell off what you bought at the high price and buy when it hits rock bottom.
That’s right, buying at the high price and holding onto it for 30 years is stupid, you should sell off what you bought at the high price and buy when it hits rock bottom.
0026Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:02:47.72ID:atZNiL4j0
When the easing ends, so will the stock prices, and the past decade’s worth of inflation will reverse.
0027Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:02:58.60ID:vBLGHZh10(1/35)
Please step back if possible.
0028Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:16.96ID:K6oqWAL40(1/4)
If there is any point in doing so, it could be if you have surplus funds outside of savings and you think this is the bottom, and you buy more.
0034Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:04.08ID:vBLGHZh10(2/35)
>>28
You can also buy a lot of savings at a fixed price.
You can also buy a lot of savings at a fixed price.
0029Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:32.47ID:vPgGaahi0
There was a time when I thought the same thing lol.
0032Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:52.25ID:xk+TIFRL0(1/2)
Oh no, I can’t log in to my securities company!
Today was Sunday 🤗.
Today was Sunday 🤗.
0033Security Guard [lv.1] [Sprout].Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:03:57.77ID:YYAft2um0(1/3)
Individuals also have accounting periods, such as retirement, children’s further education, marriage, and home purchases. The Nikkei will remain a stockbroker’s newspaper no matter how much time passes.
0036Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:18.08ID:Q2RxEu540
That’s what pachinko addicts often say: “I’m winning overall.”
0063Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:07:57.27ID:GCkEA+6n0(2/3)
>>36
Unlike gambling, when you invest, all the numbers are recorded, so you can clearly see if your money has increased.
It also has tax implications.
Do you understand?
Unlike gambling, when you invest, all the numbers are recorded, so you can clearly see if your money has increased.
It also has tax implications.
Do you understand?
0037Anonymous donburako rolling around.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:18.78ID:KBHCRsSv0
Please buy it for my benefit! Please!
0038Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:28.51ID:8Eq30MOM0
Wouldn’t it have been more beneficial to use the money I saved for something else?
0045Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:05:20.91ID:vBLGHZh10(3/35)
>>38
They use the money for other things lol.
They use the money for other things lol.
0039Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:37.40ID:WGaz7hrB0(1/4)
It will take 35 years though
NTT’s secondary system is barely able to include income.
NTT’s secondary system is barely able to include income.
0040Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:04:43.73ID:9Ulo4lP30(1/2)
If you have physical assets in a NISA, you won’t die even if you have unrealized losses. However, it’s unclear whether you’ll see any profits by the time you die. Old people who were persuaded to start investing for their retirement are total victims of scammers.
0101Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:15:00.81ID:18F8fHj90(2/7)
>>40
You start making profits after you die lol.
You start making profits after you die lol.
0041Anonymous donburako rolling around.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:05:02.83ID:zwh15v890(1/3)
You’d better keep a close eye on the price movements next week. It’s a once in a few years experience to see what’s coming after the crash.
0042(。・_・。)ノ ◆jn6k3cbewjlt Security Guard [lv.14] [Sprout].Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:05:14.41ID:5bIuoYvd0
That’s because it’s a savings plan that allows you to buy more when it’s cheap, right?
People who bought at a high price will be in trouble for a while
It’s better to cut your losses early.
People who bought at a high price will be in trouble for a while
It’s better to cut your losses early.
0052Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:06:17.91ID:vBLGHZh10(4/35)
>>42
If you pay it all at once at the beginning of the year, it’ll still be a plus lol.
If you pay it all at once at the beginning of the year, it’ll still be a plus lol.
0054Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:06:42.62ID:zwh15v890(2/3)
>>42
When it comes to margin trading, it’s better to cut losses early.
It’s a different story with long-term spot investments.
There’s nothing to gain from cutting losses every time the market crashes.
When it comes to margin trading, it’s better to cut losses early.
It’s a different story with long-term spot investments.
There’s nothing to gain from cutting losses every time the market crashes.
0049Anonymous Donburako.Aug. 4, 2024 (Sun) 13:06:00.39ID:AXexzGQd0
Even if we know we shouldn’t panic, it’s still individuals who panic.
Other languages: 【日経】個人は慌てるべきではない、1989年のバブル最高値から始めても積み立てなら利益
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