“Are there any black people in ’Shogun’?” Despite concerns about diversity... why a “Japanese period drama” became a huge hit in America

Drama.
0001Iron cheese crow ★.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:43:08.83ID:7WFAu0jK9
9/20 (Fri) 6:22 Bunshun Online – “Shogun”, produced by and starring actor Hiroyuki Sanada, has won 18 Emmy Awards, considered the Academy Awards of the American television world. “Shogun” achieved many “firsts in history.” This is the first time in history that a work produced by a Japanese person has won an Emmy Award. It was also the first time in history that a Japanese person won the Best Actor and Best Actress awards. It is also a first in history, having won 18 awards, the most in Emmy Award history. However, in Los Angeles, home of Hollywood, the “shogun festival” had already begun before the award. On the street corner there was a huge billboard with the word “shogun” on it. Many media outlets were certain that “Shogun” would win an Emmy Award. And as expected, “Shogun” won awards in multiple categories. ■A historic award win Entertainment magazine The Hollywood Reporter commented on Shogun’s achievement as follows: “Shogun’s victory is monumental in several ways. The historic win marks a major win for FX and parent company Disney in a big-budget TV series that was nearly a decade in the making and once considered a highly uncertain gamble. It’s also important for Asian and non-English speaking television programming. “Shogun” is the first non-English-speaking series to win the Outstanding Drama Series award (the Korean series “Squid Game” broadcast on Netflix was nominated in 2022 but lost to HBO’s “Succession”), and Sanada and Sawai are the first Japanese actors to win an Emmy Award.” (omitted) ■ The work itself was purely praised The paper also sees the influence of the popular American drama “Game of Thrones” behind the success of “Shogun.” “Shogun is a product of the post-Game of Thrones television world. It’s a high-budget, medieval action-adventure period drama with strong melodramatic elements. While many of the shows inspired by Game of Thrones are fantasy, Shogun is pure historical fiction. But the grandeur of the images makes it seem like an epic fantasy without dragons.” Shogun also reflects the way in which the importance of diversity and inclusion in American society is seeping into Hollywood. Hollywood, which has been criticized for its bias toward white actors, has in recent years been moving toward properly rewarding excellent work regardless of the attributes of the producers or actors appearing in it. In that sense, it can be said that “Shogun” did not win the award because its cast and crew are Japanese, a minority, but rather as a result of the film itself being purely evaluated. ■Voices questioning the diversity of “Shogun” On the other hand, there are also voices questioning the diversity of “Shogun.” Medium, an online opinion platform, published an article titled “Where are the black people in Shogun?” in which the author argues that there are no black characters in the story, despite historical evidence showing that black people were in Japan at the time. Regarding “The Super Mario Bros. Movie,” there were voices questioning why Hispanic Americans, who make up 20% of the American population, were not cast, and similar voices were heard about “Shogun,” suggesting that there are people in America who are sensitive to whether a work is woke (awakened to issues such as social justice and racism). (Omitted)
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0092A passing commentator.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:14:39.94ID:r8+kCKwq0(1/2)
>>1
Are you okay with it even though you might be shown looking pathetic?
0002Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:43:53.82ID:AiuPVfcZ0
Yasuke, there’s no stopping!
0003Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:44:52.94ID:PiG7p9Ct0(1/2)
Americans who seriously believe that American common sense = global common sense…
“Black issues are America’s problems”
Can you understand that?
0026Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:52:08.18ID:Y+hP3wLd0(1/4)
>>3
It’s an American drama.
0004Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:45:04.88ID:HqA4WEFc0
What kind of diversity is this, trying to shoehorn black people into the story even though they’re not needed?
0005Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:45:38.63ID:JBs6gWWb0
The missionaries are taking them as slaves, but can they broadcast something like that?
0006Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:46:02.67ID:v0LLkE8f0
Jello?
0007Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:46:09.12ID:Q6W2BA6F0
General, that’s the light you saw.
0008Security Guard [lv.5] [Sprout].Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:46:18.88ID:oSaGJV5q0
Just put out some Yasuke lol
Then no one will complain lol.
0009Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:46:38.44ID:sog58cpe0
There is a danger that things will get weirder with each passing season.
0045Hunter [lv.96][Seedling].Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:59:45.72ID:1JDLt70U0(1/3)
>>9
I think it’s okay because Hiroyuki Sanada is the producer, but I think it’s only a matter of time before it succumbs to the woke (recently, politically correct people have started calling themselves awakened people) forces.
After all, it’s being distributed by Disney, which is heavily contaminated by political correctness.
0010Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:46:48.06ID:RQD2fJTL0
Don’t say ridiculous things.
0011Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:47:58.08ID:RO2vd9Gy0(1/2)
Yasuke, yes, you’ve been refuted.
0046Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:00:08.61ID:4DaE/SEq0
>>11
What kind of argument is that? It’s not even out there.
You don’t understand anything.
0013Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:48:32.46ID:VWMx5CGa0(1/3)
I wonder how such period dramas are popular?
I think making Mito Komon would be a better success though.
0014Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:48:50.07ID:Ui9UBV290
The fact that there are no Japanese people in Westerns should be criticized.
0018Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:49:45.31ID:RO2vd9Gy0(2/2)
>>14
There were Japanese people in “Little House on the Prairie” lol.
0015Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:48:50.63ID:1Rq0e6Z20
I live in the countryside, but 30 years ago I never saw any foreigners.
0016Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:49:22.56ID:OEEUiYcO0(1/4)
It’s only interesting at the beginning anyway. If it gets popular, they’ll force a second and third season even if they had no plans to continue it. Then black people and Chinese people will start appearing. That’s American drama.
0017Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:49:39.82ID:nXYkqxg10
It will be remade with all black actors.
0019Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:50:34.82ID:PiG7p9Ct0(2/2)
I mean, I feel like there’s a politically correct element to the reviews themselves, like, “The act of reviewing a work by a non-white person is so great.”
0020Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:50:49.35ID:O+qbV6v60
Now that you mention it, it’s odd that Yasuke is the only black person. There must have been quite a few of them, since they were slaves.
0073Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:08:21.52ID:nZm5MbZ20(1/2)
>>20
If there were a black person, it would seem that Japanese people would find it amusing to depict them in ukiyo-e prints, but they aren’t.
0021Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:50:55.66ID:n9AiH7Lx0(1/3)
You’re misunderstanding diversity. Were there black people in Japan? Let’s talk about it. It seems there were in Nobunaga’s country, on the island.
0022Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:50:58.93ID:td2OFeJf0
I remember learning in social studies class when I was little that Japanese people are of the yellow race, but I guess that’s no longer the case.
0023Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:51:09.31ID:VWMx5CGa0(2/3)
The Black Samurai are a fabrication made up by a British English teacher. They should have just been slaves.
0024Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:51:29.91ID:atirqktK0
Are you talking about Yasuke?
There are records that black people were among the slaves brought over by missionaries from Portugal,
but nothing else is known. The name Yasuke was also chosen arbitrarily. The man who fabricated the story, Nihon University Associate Professor Lockley, has reportedly deleted all of his online accounts and gone on the run.
0035Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:55:27.61ID:Y+hP3wLd0(2/4)
>>24
You’re just swallowing a low-quality explanatory video made by someone who doesn’t know much about it and is just making a fuss lol.
0025Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:51:43.85ID:n9AiH7Lx0(2/3)
They’re going to go to the trouble of distorting historical facts to create the illusion of diversity. This isn’t one of those crappy NHK dramas.
0027Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:52:32.80ID:mDB3nA7Z0
They’re such a pain.
0028Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:52:35.66ID:8uy3xaBg0(1/2)
Right now they’re spreading nonsense about Yasuke being a famous samurai.
0029Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:53:13.08ID:6EYZv6ym0
Mario is an Italian plumber.
0086Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:12:09.13ID:W5mSgrIy0
>>29
Peach should be black
…or at least Luigi should be black.
0101Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:16:58.89ID:i3FW8kAX0(2/3)
>>29
Mario was a hit because it’s not politically correct!
There are idiots who say this, but it’s just politically correct.
0030Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:53:43.05ID:qBtsarBV0
You’re mistaken, but this drama is fiction, so there’s probably a character called Yasuke who isn’t a real person, based on his name.
0031Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:54:07.83ID:QBJ2S/ha0
There are a ton of foreigners who think Thomas Lockley’s ridiculous Yasuke is historical fact. Also, recently, AI-generated photos of black people in armor and black geisha have been circulating as evidence. They’re called black shougun.
0032Security Guard [lv.12].Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:54:18.39ID:x3+hxtfF0
This is based on Ieyasu and Miura Anjin, right?
Miura Anjin was British, so that’s one thing, but did Ieyasu have contact with black people?
0033Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:54:44.32ID:HZ1qDu1m0
I have a feeling that in season 2, as a reaction to the first season, black samurai will play a major role, and black feudal lords may also be introduced.
0034Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:55:25.86ID:tJMmbfX50(1/2)
Do something about this thinking that just forces you to accept something without even looking into history.
0036Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:55:55.93ID:Y9Gp466m0
There may have been black people, but there weren’t any black people who had any influence on the story, and if they were honestly portrayed as slaves led around by white people, wouldn’t that anger them in itself?
If you get involved, you lose.
0038Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:56:19.06ID:QU3C0B640
Well, since the original novel was written by an American, it’s fantasy so it’s not unusual for black people to appear in it. They probably didn’t appear in the TV drama adaptation in the 80s, though.
0040Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:57:50.20ID:rNSt7vAY0
Unless LGBT black people become invincible and massacre Japanese people, it is racism against black people.
0043Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:59:44.51ID:n9AiH7Lx0(3/3)
Are the farmers, who make up 90% of the population, included?
0044Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 06:59:45.30ID:BSEdKOln0(1/7)
By including black people who were in Japan at the time, you mean “slaves brought by white people” should appear in the work, but are you serious about that?
Since there’s no consideration for historical accuracy, there won’t be any samurai like the legendary hero Yasuke-san.
0050Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:01:24.54ID:VD4u71q00
Do blacks, Asians, or Middle Easterners appear in the works of Columbus, Joan of Arc, Marie Antoinette, or Napoleon?
0056Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:02:39.69ID:BSEdKOln0(2/7)
>>50
He has a criminal record for turning Cleopatra black.
0062Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:04:12.08ID:Y+hP3wLd0(4/4)
>>50
Isn’t it a main product that appears in Columbus? I don’t know though.
0084Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:11:36.80ID:YSBhCfLU0
>>50
If it’s related to Napoleon, there’s Dumas.
0051Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:02:06.19ID:8uy3xaBg0(2/2)
Among them, the origin of black slavery is in Japan, and Yasuke is considered a hero who achieved status.
0055Security Guard [lv.6] [Sprout].Sep. 20, 2024 (Fri) 07:02:25.93ID:N9fUXZq70(1/2)
First of all, there are so few historical documents about Yasuke that it is not possible to adequately criticize them, and it is difficult to come up with a common theory.
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Other languages: 【米国】「『SHOGUN』の中に黒人はいるのか?」多様性をギモン視されても…アメリカで“日本の時代劇”が大ヒットしたワケ, “¿Hay gente negra en “Shogun’’? Incluso si la diversidad se ve como una broma... la razón por la que los “dramas de época japoneses’’ se han convertido en grandes éxitos en los Estados Unidos.

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