0001Green onion udon★.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:17:20.45ID:p+0q7o2V9
I think this is an incredible achievement. “Shogun,” produced and starring Hiroyuki Sanada, won 18 awards including Best Drama at the Emmy Awards, an American entertainment award that ranks alongside the Academy Awards for films, the Grammy Awards for music, and the Tony Awards for theater. (Omitted)
What bothered me the most was how the Japanese of that era were portrayed as very barbaric, and the environment surrounding them as very filthy. In “Shogun,” samurai kill commoners with great ease. The scene shows a man drawing his sword and chopping off someone’s head on a whim, which has been praised as a fitting depiction of “unstable times.” However, although there were exceptions, generally, samurai did not easily kill commoners or indiscriminately abuse people who had drifted ashore. In any case, there were many situations in which samurai were eager to draw their swords. The moment they sensed even the slightest lack of courtesy, they would all draw their swords at once, even if they were in the castle of a great ruler of the country. However, although not as severe as in the Edo period, even in this period, samurai rarely actually drew their swords, except in special cases where there was no other solution than to cut. Furthermore, if one drew a sword inside the castle of the most powerful man in the country, one would likely be sentenced to death. In addition, there was a scene where Kashiwagi Yabuju, who was based on Honda Masanobu, played by Asano Tadanobu, fell off a cliff and drew his sword in the sea and attempted to commit seppuku. It seems that Kashiwagi was fascinated by death. Indeed, during this period, seppuku was well established as a samurai-like way to die, and it was considered more honorable to cut one’s stomach open rather than be killed by the enemy. However, this was merely a decision made when one was in a desperate situation, and death was not an end in itself. The treatment of the crew of the ship that was stranded is also depicted in a very brutal manner. Some people were boiled in a cauldron, and John Blackthorn (Anjin), who was based on William Adams, was beaten and even urinated on. At one point, the crew were pelted with a liquid mixed with blood and viscera. However, I don’t think that the Japanese at that time would have acted so barbarically. It is recorded that when the Liefde, carrying Adams, drifted ashore in what is now Usuki City, Oita Prefecture, the local people treated the weakened crew member, gave him food, and took care of him. Also, if we go into a minor point, why is it that, despite all the money spent on it, the stone walls of Osaka Castle from that era, which were made from piled-up natural stones, are depicted as if they were just square blocks stacked on top of each other? Furthermore, judging someone in a dry landscape garden can only be seen as a confusion between a rock garden and the magistrate’s office’s white sandbank. For these reasons, there are many aspects of Shogun’s depiction of Japan that cannot be described as realistic. I imagine that while they were particular about portraying the real Japan in terms of the manners, gestures, and sword fighting, they probably didn’t have time to research historical accuracy. More in the source.
What bothered me the most was how the Japanese of that era were portrayed as very barbaric, and the environment surrounding them as very filthy. In “Shogun,” samurai kill commoners with great ease. The scene shows a man drawing his sword and chopping off someone’s head on a whim, which has been praised as a fitting depiction of “unstable times.” However, although there were exceptions, generally, samurai did not easily kill commoners or indiscriminately abuse people who had drifted ashore. In any case, there were many situations in which samurai were eager to draw their swords. The moment they sensed even the slightest lack of courtesy, they would all draw their swords at once, even if they were in the castle of a great ruler of the country. However, although not as severe as in the Edo period, even in this period, samurai rarely actually drew their swords, except in special cases where there was no other solution than to cut. Furthermore, if one drew a sword inside the castle of the most powerful man in the country, one would likely be sentenced to death. In addition, there was a scene where Kashiwagi Yabuju, who was based on Honda Masanobu, played by Asano Tadanobu, fell off a cliff and drew his sword in the sea and attempted to commit seppuku. It seems that Kashiwagi was fascinated by death. Indeed, during this period, seppuku was well established as a samurai-like way to die, and it was considered more honorable to cut one’s stomach open rather than be killed by the enemy. However, this was merely a decision made when one was in a desperate situation, and death was not an end in itself. The treatment of the crew of the ship that was stranded is also depicted in a very brutal manner. Some people were boiled in a cauldron, and John Blackthorn (Anjin), who was based on William Adams, was beaten and even urinated on. At one point, the crew were pelted with a liquid mixed with blood and viscera. However, I don’t think that the Japanese at that time would have acted so barbarically. It is recorded that when the Liefde, carrying Adams, drifted ashore in what is now Usuki City, Oita Prefecture, the local people treated the weakened crew member, gave him food, and took care of him. Also, if we go into a minor point, why is it that, despite all the money spent on it, the stone walls of Osaka Castle from that era, which were made from piled-up natural stones, are depicted as if they were just square blocks stacked on top of each other? Furthermore, judging someone in a dry landscape garden can only be seen as a confusion between a rock garden and the magistrate’s office’s white sandbank. For these reasons, there are many aspects of Shogun’s depiction of Japan that cannot be described as realistic. I imagine that while they were particular about portraying the real Japan in terms of the manners, gestures, and sword fighting, they probably didn’t have time to research historical accuracy. More in the source.
武士が刀を抜きすぎ…「SHOGUN 将軍」が描く日本はリアルではない 褒めるだけのメディアの罪(全文) | デイリー新潮
これは凄まじい快挙だと思います。映画のアカデミー賞、音楽のグラミー賞、演劇のトニー賞とならぶアメリカのエンターテインメント賞であるエミー賞で、真田広之さんがプロデュース兼主演を務めた『SHOGUN …
0026Security Guard [lv.11] [Sprout].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:26.41ID:7o3wNCbs0(1/2)
>>1
It’s a realistic “period drama”
Are you stupid?
It’s a realistic “period drama”
Are you stupid?
0057Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:32:37.28ID:iMMPm7Vx0(1/3)
>>1
Were you around during that time?
Were you around during that time?
0064Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:34:13.94ID:2pAzRKNy0
>>1
It’s like I’ve seen that era lol.
It’s like I’ve seen that era lol.
0067Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:34:35.19ID:czEyM3I20
>>1
>Samurai kill commoners very easily. That’s true.
This is from the end of the Heian period to the early Kamakura period.
I think things calmed down after the Goseibai Shikimoku was published.
>Samurai kill commoners very easily. That’s true.
This is from the end of the Heian period to the early Kamakura period.
I think things calmed down after the Goseibai Shikimoku was published.
0070Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:35:00.11ID:IYp95UjI0
>>1
Isn’t the strange part based on the original?
Isn’t the strange part based on the original?
0002Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:20:04.84ID:MDZeySbd0
Daily life in the Satsuma domain.
0003Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:20:44.54ID:DIqgEtQN0
It’s entertainment, not a biopic, so Sanada said it’s important to get it just right.
0004Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:21:04.92ID:u+LN+08d0
That was during the Meiji Restoration, but I’m sure the Sengoku period was even worse.
0005Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:21:26.14ID:CYROuLRM0(1/2)
Japanese sage drama.
0006Security Guard [lv.39].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:21:29.75ID:FUN/HE4u0(1/7)
It would be nice if they produced another unbiased version of Shogun in about 20 years’ time, and had a well-known critic give a proper critique.
0007Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:21:35.68ID:nw5bJ8L50
That’s real. Don’t think commoners had human rights.
0012Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:22:44.41ID:3vY92SrB0(1/2)
>>7
You’re ignorant.
You’re ignorant.
0045Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:30:01.22ID:tl68JXWw0(1/4)
>>7
Exactly.
The only people who were treated like humans were aristocrats, samurai, wealthy merchants, and religious people,
but even then they fought and killed each other.
Exactly.
The only people who were treated like humans were aristocrats, samurai, wealthy merchants, and religious people,
but even then they fought and killed each other.
0102Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:40:11.72ID:1vb2qYOL0(2/2)
>>7
There’s a ton of evidence that there was no such thing as a “cut-off” system,
but the reason it caused such a fuss in Tosa when a high-ranking samurai did it is because it wasn’t something that happened every day.
There’s a ton of evidence that there was no such thing as a “cut-off” system,
but the reason it caused such a fuss in Tosa when a high-ranking samurai did it is because it wasn’t something that happened every day.
0103Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:40:27.96ID:NawxXb7b0
>>7
Until Hoshina joined the shogunate, it was common to cut off all the people.
Until Hoshina joined the shogunate, it was common to cut off all the people.
0008Security Guard [lv.4] [Sprout].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:22:00.41ID:o/nDAx+V0
Isn’t that Yasuke?
0009Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:22:01.83ID:AmFn+Eyh0
But if you interrupt the daimyo’s procession, they’ll cut you off right away, right?
0074Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:35:12.36ID:1k3BgoOZ0(1/3)
>>9
Maybe they’re talking about the Namamugi Incident, but in that incident, he was on horseback and despite repeated warnings, didn’t dismount, and got close to Shimazu Hisamitsu, so it was decided that it would be bad to approach him like that.
In modern terms, it would be like a suspicious person approaching a VIP guarded by SPs being arrested.
Maybe they’re talking about the Namamugi Incident, but in that incident, he was on horseback and despite repeated warnings, didn’t dismount, and got close to Shimazu Hisamitsu, so it was decided that it would be bad to approach him like that.
In modern terms, it would be like a suspicious person approaching a VIP guarded by SPs being arrested.
0010Security Guard [lv.11].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:22:24.12ID:Ma5k4NIp0
It was the Sengoku period, so defeated warriors were tortured to death by peasants without question.
0011Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:22:39.95ID:t28SEWP00
You’re confusing the Edo period with the Sengoku period.
0023Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:25:55.65ID:ENUM6M6o0
>>11
It kind of looks like it.
It kind of looks like it.
0013Security Guard [lv.39].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:23:36.71ID:FUN/HE4u0(2/7)
Well, I guess the majority of low IQ Western white people will become more and more prejudiced towards the history of the East and Japan. There are too many idiots who can’t tell the difference between entertainment and historical fact. The same goes for China and Korea, which are considered to be part of Asia.
0015Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:24:14.73ID:iJs9MNR40(1/2)
Wasn’t there some street killing going on?
0016Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:24:22.50ID:27zo8Zg90
Maybe there aren’t that many gunfights in real Western movies?
0036Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:53.50ID:+TY6iiUK0(1/2)
>>16
I’m the guy they call Quick Draw Mac.
I’m the guy they call Quick Draw Mac.
0017Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:24:30.86ID:12oGD3+C0
Japan sage is amazing.
0018Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:24:32.05ID:kZ3h1k190(1/3)
Tell me about the warlord with leprosy. Apparently, it’s impossible for Otani to reveal his true colors in a storytelling performance. I don’t actually know lol.
0019Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:24:38.35ID:v3eZta170
Kamakura samurai often did this…
0022Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:25:53.97ID:+sPr/Ppi0
Definitely better than Samurai Jack.
0024Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:23.56ID:Oyuss4cs0
I mean, nobody knows the facts of that time.
0025Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:24.44ID:LlnOTeBO0
It’s probably just some country that’s jealous of Japan that’s making a fuss.
0027Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:30.64ID:5qpdRyEN0
Are you so proud of your comments without even knowing the difference between Edo samurai and Sengoku samurai?
0028Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:37.48ID:9VFM2bJf0
There are only short-legged horses.
0029Security Guard [lv.10] [Sprout].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:40.26ID:st0As9To0(1/2)
In reality, Kirisute Gomen was essentially a murder case, so unless there were some very special circumstances, the samurai had to commit seppuku. If the other person was a commoner, the rules were even stricter.
0054Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:31:27.75ID:tl68JXWw0(2/4)
>>29
That’s something that came after the Buke Shohatto.
That’s something that came after the Buke Shohatto.
0030Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:26:43.93ID:RumKsHre0
The local pronunciation of shogun is Shogan!
0031Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:13.37ID:AaiV/QRp0
Period dramas have a lot of strange depictions. People in the Edo period have beards even though it was strictly forbidden to have facial hair. They sell Chinese cabbage, which shouldn’t have existed in the Edo period. There are tables and chairs in izakayas.
0108Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:40:37.77ID:wsQ5THMs0(1/2)
>>31
As for food, I’m intrigued by the fact that common people and farmers eat rice and rice balls made from pure white rice.
As for food, I’m intrigued by the fact that common people and farmers eat rice and rice balls made from pure white rice.
0113Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:41:45.98ID:FUN/HE4u0(3/7)
>>31
Although not as much as Korean dramas, historical dramas are fictional.
Although not as much as Korean dramas, historical dramas are fictional.
0032Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:28.95ID:Pi7vtOSi0
In reality, they’ve been killing each other for 100 years, so it’s not barbaric in the small details.
0033Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:44.55ID:9qqWK14Z0
Are foreign medieval dramas mostly based on historical facts?
0039Security Guard [lv.11] [Sprout].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:18.00ID:7o3wNCbs0(2/2)
>>33
Korean dramas are now like science fiction.
Korean dramas are now like science fiction.
0034Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:44.54ID:zaTqft1J0
So what about Takeshi’s neck?
0035Security guard [lv.21].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:52.94ID:ihOkGwTc0
It’s mostly just imagination based on pictures and writings about the Sengoku period, so people who make such definitive statements are really annoying. I wonder if you’ve seen it.
0037Security Guard [lv.73].Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:27:57.26ID:IbBPprJ00
Sanada aimed to be like Takachi, a period drama figure from Kurosawa’s time. If you want realism, you have to do shudo.
0038Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:08.59ID:n9xLFd2o0(1/5)
In the Kamakura period, a certain samurai ordered that a severed head must always be kept in his mansion, and he would kill any vagrants, monks, or others who passed by his house with a bow and place their heads in the mansion’s garden every few days. The man in question was Hatakeyama Shigetada, who is said to have been a man of great character according to various stories.
0040Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:30.13ID:Mp4mer/E0
Are you okay with taking a drama so seriously?
0041Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:32.36ID:fBi8L5Rw0
But in the Sengoku period it was possible that they were like a bandit boss, and the modern concept of a samurai is from the Edo period.
0042Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:48.52ID:nJwccrnS0
Samurai were completely different from the Kamakura period to the Edo period.
0043Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:28:59.97ID:VvwmOnM+0
Well, it’s just entertainment after all.
0044Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:29:09.50ID:erpqS3UN0
After all, it’s what Sanada Hiroyuki thinks is real lol.
0046Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:30:08.73ID:9CRt/kxN0
Kamakura samurai are so crazy that they can’t be made into a live-action movie. Don’t underestimate these bastards.
0047Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:30:35.10ID:t+P1IrhE0(1/2)
The heads in Kitano movies are probably real. Nobunaga was just a thug who happened to win and rise to power. Warlords kept fighting each other. Commoners rummaged through the bodies of dead soldiers.
0049Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:30:40.34ID:wgfzxJy80(1/2)
Well, that’s why they changed the names and made it into Japanese fiction.
0051Anonymous @I’m sorry.Sep. 24, 2024 (Tue) 11:30:54.57ID:1g1BhvUP0
It’s not based on historical facts, it’s a drama.
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