0001muffin★.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:11:10.31ID:kS70LM5o9
I have interviewed many manga artists in the past, and when I talk to them over meals, I am surprised to find that there are many more manga artists than I expected who are negative about fan-created doujinshi. Derivative works are parody manga or illustrations created by third parties who rearrange the characters and stories of existing manga such as “Dragon Ball” or “Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba.” Many of the doujinshi sold at doujinshi sales events such as Comic Market are original works, but the most popular are derivative works. When writing doujinshi, the artists who create them (doujin artists) generally do not obtain permission from the copyright holder. As a result, characters’ personalities are sometimes altered without the knowledge of the copyright holder, and in some cases, they are made to appear lewd. Mr. A, a popular manga artist who says he dislikes derivative works, says the following. “Let me state plainly that I dislike fan-made doujinshi. Recently, the issue of moral rights of authors has come under scrutiny, but people are reluctant to talk about derivative works. However, I believe that making doujinshi for adults using characters from my manga without permission is a clear violation of the author’s moral rights.” … In terms of whether derivative works constitute copyright infringement, it’s a gray area that’s as close to black as it gets. In the first place, copyright issues in Japan are crimes that require a complaint. Doujinshi derivative works exist under the pretense that they are “something that fans make for fun,” and are tolerated by publishers and artists. Mr. A questions this trend. “They call it fan work, but in reality there are some doujinshi artists who are making a ton of money. Not a single yen of that profit has been returned to me. I don’t agree with this. Doujinshi authors have altered the settings of my characters to a level far beyond that of the recent controversial TV drama based on a manga, and what’s more, they are making a profit from selling the books. Can this really be called fan activity?’
Out of consideration for manga artists who dislike doujinshi aimed at adults, the unspoken rule was that fan activities should be carried out modestly. However, Mr. A actually had a fan who sent him an R-18 doujinshi that he had created himself. While we don’t think the fan meant any harm, he was apparently shocked to see the images of his characters entangled in such an indecent pose. “When using social media, it’s hard to avoid seeing derivative works like that. Of course, I’m sure my fans love my work, and I know full well that they mean no harm… I don’t feel like blaming them because they didn’t mean any harm, and it just makes me sad. There are also manga artists who are understanding of derivative works. However, please don’t assume that everyone is okay with creating derivative works, and if they do it, I hope they do it quietly.”
Mr. A still shows understanding, saying that if doujinshi are only sold at doujinshi sales events, “I don’t really want to approve it, but I would like to tolerate it.” What is unforgivable is the following behavior by doujinshi artists: “They are distributed to stores selling doujinshi in Akihabara and Ikebukuro, and recently some people have been selling them as e-books. This is business, right? Strange, right? Selling at places other than doujinshi sales events goes beyond the level of fan activity, no matter how you look at it.”
A says, “I hate doujinshi artists who make a living from my work more than I hate scalpers who sell signed copies on flea market sites.” For more details and the full story, please see the source.
★1: 2024/08/22 (Thu) 17:41:52.53.
Out of consideration for manga artists who dislike doujinshi aimed at adults, the unspoken rule was that fan activities should be carried out modestly. However, Mr. A actually had a fan who sent him an R-18 doujinshi that he had created himself. While we don’t think the fan meant any harm, he was apparently shocked to see the images of his characters entangled in such an indecent pose. “When using social media, it’s hard to avoid seeing derivative works like that. Of course, I’m sure my fans love my work, and I know full well that they mean no harm… I don’t feel like blaming them because they didn’t mean any harm, and it just makes me sad. There are also manga artists who are understanding of derivative works. However, please don’t assume that everyone is okay with creating derivative works, and if they do it, I hope they do it quietly.”
Mr. A still shows understanding, saying that if doujinshi are only sold at doujinshi sales events, “I don’t really want to approve it, but I would like to tolerate it.” What is unforgivable is the following behavior by doujinshi artists: “They are distributed to stores selling doujinshi in Akihabara and Ikebukuro, and recently some people have been selling them as e-books. This is business, right? Strange, right? Selling at places other than doujinshi sales events goes beyond the level of fan activity, no matter how you look at it.”
A says, “I hate doujinshi artists who make a living from my work more than I hate scalpers who sell signed copies on flea market sites.” For more details and the full story, please see the source.
★1: 2024/08/22 (Thu) 17:41:52.53.
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筆者はこれまでに多くの漫画家を取材してきたが、会食をしながら話をすると、二次創作の同人誌に否定的な漫画家が思った以上にいることに驚く。…
0060Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:33:37.45ID:+8zMr4vH0
>>1
You don’t have to tolerate it, just say it’s clearly prohibited for each artist.
If you do that, the number of doujinshi by that artist will gradually decrease.
Don’t be so naive as to say you want to tolerate it.
You don’t have to tolerate it, just say it’s clearly prohibited for each artist.
If you do that, the number of doujinshi by that artist will gradually decrease.
Don’t be so naive as to say you want to tolerate it.
0116Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:50:04.64ID:ljSdapf30
>>1
But they don’t give permission.
But they don’t give permission.
0003Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:13:50.79ID:EXWHA9L50
I guess it was tolerated because it was a sales event like Comiket.
0004Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:14:15.99ID:fXpJLcVG0
Recently, erotic doujinshi are mostly original or from social games, and there aren’t as many anime or manga erotic doujinshi anymore. Is it because the guidelines have gotten stricter? Is it because they might get sued?
0014Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:19:55.36ID:xxOWQG4D0
>>4
Mainland social games are popular, and the operators of those games often create guidelines for derivative works from the beginning, so it seems like it’s easy to do.
Mainland social games are popular, and the operators of those games often create guidelines for derivative works from the beginning, so it seems like it’s easy to do.
0005Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:14:22.98ID:O2vu5LOl0(1/2)
Please use their real names and ban them.
0006Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:15:28.57ID:s+ZjmdTl0
You can’t complain to publishers who are trying to monopolise their publishing business lol.
0007Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:15:32.48ID:c1OuhCMg0
Authors should announce that doujinshi are prohibited and if it is violated they will sue for copyright infringement.
0055Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:30:50.18ID:Z77nzChE0(1/3)
>>7
>The artist should announce that they don’t want doujinshi
>If it’s violated, they’ll sue for copyright infringement
There are artists who say that bad erotica is prohibited
If they don’t, I’ll ignore it, but I’ll sue if it’s bad
Well, I guess it’s fine if you draw big breasted characters lol.
>The artist should announce that they don’t want doujinshi
>If it’s violated, they’ll sue for copyright infringement
There are artists who say that bad erotica is prohibited
If they don’t, I’ll ignore it, but I’ll sue if it’s bad
Well, I guess it’s fine if you draw big breasted characters lol.
0008Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:16:05.16ID:irj1Wdsq0
There are even people who become professional manga artists and still draw doujinshi.
0011Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:17:52.76ID:0V6dU4an0
I think it would be better to donate. But manga artists and doujinshi artists are just someone else’s derivative works.
0012Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:18:05.56ID:w/KU7y0a0
Even though they criticized the TV station for the Sexy Tanaka incident, otaku are silent about the 2D doujinshi. Their mentality is the same as the TV station’s, even though they helped spread the word.
0013Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:18:18.61ID:cg4ALO+p0
Good job, eradicate all doujin artists lol.
0015Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:20:12.20ID:GDf/Kv6e0
I will prohibit the creation of derivative works of my work under my real name. If I find out, I will sue you. That will solve the problem.
0016Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:20:36.24ID:pedbQIHT0
I don’t think any manga artist would be happy if the characters they worked so hard on were messed up in erotic doujin and used to make money (except for those from the doujin community).
Otaku who are outraged by AI generation will just brush this off.
Otaku who are outraged by AI generation will just brush this off.
0020Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:21:10.92ID:zwhOOrS70(1/2)
>>16
Just ban it.
Just ban it.
0026Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:23:08.57ID:bQCMTKFE0(1/8)
>>16
It’s hilarious that people who are angry about AI generation
are okay with derivative works.
It’s hilarious that people who are angry about AI generation
are okay with derivative works.
0017Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:20:40.43ID:OQOIJXrW0
During the heyday of Captain Tsubasa doujinshi,
the Jump editorial department must have issued a statement. Not only did this not stop him, but a manga artist who started out as a fan of Captain Tsubasa made his major debut with Shueisha.
the Jump editorial department must have issued a statement. Not only did this not stop him, but a manga artist who started out as a fan of Captain Tsubasa made his major debut with Shueisha.
0018Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:20:45.48ID:D3/fHr7r0
If you’re going to say that, you should use force and make a difference.
0022Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:21:54.72ID:hymWJE+F0
Just say, “Erotic doujins are prohibited, like Evangelion and Uma Musume!” If there are still people who do it, then they are completely in the wrong.
0023Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:22:26.61ID:mKy1EnYF0
Since derivative works are merely tolerated, you can sue or do something about it.
0024Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:22:54.42ID:O2vu5LOl0(2/2)
The original author could create a system to make money from bookstores and doujin download sites.
0025Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:22:59.68ID:z0yAgMmJ0
I feel like I should sue them, but I don’t want to go that far.
0032Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:25:58.06ID:7N0U7tw+0
>>25
Because it takes time and money.
Because it takes time and money.
0027Reiwa 6 (2024).Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:23:35.33ID:9FkK2hbv0
In that case, why not just declare that “the creation and sale of derivative works based on my work is strictly prohibited”? If you’re a fan, you’ll listen to that. If someone doesn’t listen, they’re not a fan, so you can take legal action.
0028Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:23:55.97ID:4IbE5VQ30
I can’t complain because people from publishing companies are going to Comiket with their business cards to look for new works.
0029Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:24:45.93ID:zwhOOrS70(2/2)
It’s a private prosecution offence.
0030Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:25:12.85ID:GEveS+KU0(1/3)
Kabuki actors are like disciples of Toriyama Akira’s assistants, Toyotaro and Kochikame Akimoto’s assistants, but it’s scary that they think they’re original.
0031Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:25:18.64ID:U6OaBCpI0(1/2)
>They’ve altered my character’s settings and, what’s more, are selling the book and making a profit from it. Can this be called fan activity?
You’re right.
Honestly, it’s getting out of hand because it’s gotten so big.
But in reality, it’s all just illegal.
How about tightening regulations here like Mangamura.
Maybe the Manga Artists Association should make the rules.
Artists who want to use doujinshi can release them copyright-free.
Those who want to release some of their works for doujinshi can make a contract to do so.
Also, we could create a system where the profits are only returned to the creators if they become large.
I think it’s too free at the moment.
You’re right.
Honestly, it’s getting out of hand because it’s gotten so big.
But in reality, it’s all just illegal.
How about tightening regulations here like Mangamura.
Maybe the Manga Artists Association should make the rules.
Artists who want to use doujinshi can release them copyright-free.
Those who want to release some of their works for doujinshi can make a contract to do so.
Also, we could create a system where the profits are only returned to the creators if they become large.
I think it’s too free at the moment.
0038Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:27:42.80ID:MsKxYc/30(1/6)
>>31
Just do it lol.
Just do it lol.
0033Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:26:15.98ID:Nd9oMJY90
Money, money, money! Aren’t you ashamed as a manga artist?
0034Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:26:49.05ID:U6OaBCpI0(2/2)
>>33
You should just give away doujinshi for free lol.
You should just give away doujinshi for free lol.
0035Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:27:02.38ID:GEveS+KU0(2/3)
Kabuki actors have simply inherited their names from generation to generation, but for some reason they act like they think they’re doing what they want, which is scary. Plus, I don’t know much about copyright. It violates copyright.
0036Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:27:04.16ID:WNI7QWEJ0(1/3)
Then the author should draw the spin-off that otaku want to read. If the author doesn’t draw it, the fans will.
0046Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:29:07.05ID:u3HkK75I0(1/2)
>>36
How rude.
How rude.
0048Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:29:35.35ID:m2XE/1br0(1/10)
>>36
Nobody asked for it.
Nobody asked for it.
0042Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:28:23.36ID:LtT7SqJq0
I don’t know how derivative works can be satisfying. It’s weird to piggyback on someone else’s work and feel like you’re the original creator.
0043Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:28:26.80ID:UIi8euyA0
It’s fine if they do it because they like the work, but there are a lot of people who just draw erotic versions of popular characters to make money. Recently, I’ve been posting a large amount of content to pixiv using generative AI. People who say that don’t even like the work in the first place.
0077Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:39:07.16ID:bQCMTKFE0(3/8)
>>43
I don’t know if I like the work or not.
I don’t know if I like the work or not.
0045Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:28:46.11ID:HQ49B2ND0(1/2)
If you don’t like it, you can just say that you don’t want derivative works created from your work. If they don’t follow the rules, get a warning through your lawyer. Then it will be removed from the work.
0053Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:30:33.13ID:DYbPJKm70
If you think about it from the artist’s point of view, it’s completely understandable, so wouldn’t it be better to just ban it?
0057Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:31:42.56ID:m2XE/1br0(2/10)
>>53
It’s been said many times, but it’s the opposite.
It’s basically prohibited, so only manga artists who tolerate it should make a statement.
It’s been said many times, but it’s the opposite.
It’s basically prohibited, so only manga artists who tolerate it should make a statement.
0064Anonymous @I’m sorry.Aug. 22, 2024 (Thu) 20:35:28.72ID:/qIxOlcx0
They really need to crack down on derivative works and establish a system where fees have to be paid.
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