“What ASEAN needs is Japan as a reliable trade and economic partner.” ASEAN countries remain wary of an Asian version of NATO.

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0001@Old Man Friends Club ★ Security Guard [lv.9] [Sprout].Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:12:08.55ID:VfhW/zTc9
[Vientiane – Sato Yuki, Sakuda Soki] At the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN)-related summit that concluded on the 11th, Prime Minister Ishiba did not mention his personal theory of an “Asian version of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization),” but ASEAN countries remain wary of it. ASEAN has traditionally pursued a neutral diplomacy. Many countries have strong economic ties with China and are reluctant to build a multilateral security framework. On the 5th, the Indonesian newspaper Jakarta Post noted that China has become the main trading partner of ASEAN countries, and said, “What ASEAN needs is Japan as a reliable trade and economic partner. “We are not just a military ally that will exacerbate regional tensions.” A Vietnamese expert on international relations said, “Vietnam will not choose to anger China (a major power that shares land area with it). “If an Asian version of NATO were proposed, they would subtly refuse to join.” Continue reading in Yomiuri Shimbun
2024/10/12 06:50

ASEAN各国、アジア版NATOへの根強い警戒…中国との関係考慮「受け入れるのは難しいだろう」
【読売新聞】 【ビエンチャン=佐藤友紀、作田総輝】11日に閉幕した東南アジア諸国連合(ASEAN)関連の首脳会議で、石破首相は持論とする「アジア版NATO(北大西洋条約機構)」に触れなかったが、ASEAN各国の警戒感は根強い。 AS
0052Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:33:43.89ID:Rn8Gzc4Z0(1/5)
>>1
Well, there are various opinions in ASEAN.
The Singapore News Asia article seemed to suggest that ASEAN is united in questioning China over the Philippines issue.
Pro-China media will likely report that China is welcomed in ASEAN.
If China gets out of control, it’s the US and Japan that will stop it, so Japan is undoubtedly an important country.
0062Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:35:47.26ID:WqKTZQlZ0
>>1
Even if they call it a military alliance when all they do is intimidate in self-defense in times of war,
it’s pointless to say things like “I’m sorry!” while other countries are fighting directly.
0002Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:13:02.09ID:ecTmEo/M0
In other words, Ishihara is being told directly that it’s all about money.
0003Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:13:15.36ID:/auf3e/M0
It’s hilarious that he’s hated even in ASEAN.
0004Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:13:51.46ID:7Gcgbgr/0(1/2)
Asia doesn’t trust us, huh?
0005Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:06.82ID:F9xrE2zl0
They’re the ones who don’t fight to the end.
0014Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:17:27.36ID:ja7Z5pt60
>>5
70% of Japanese soldiers died of starvation or disease in WWII
And they turned about 10,000 people into human bombs, so of course this is what happens
://imgur.com/k6cvsi0.jpg
0006Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:16.79ID:fcOSYbGZ0(1/2)
Of course.
0007Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:29.14ID:5/8NPRlX0
Well, the disadvantages of fighting with China outweigh the advantages. If we leave it alone, China will just gather hate for Japan.
0008Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:31.15ID:BAyXHA5d0
First, what is ASEAN?
0009Security guard [lv.41].Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:14:57.21ID:ZSCBsqIb0
Well, it’s true that creating an Asian version of NATO would likely exacerbate tensions within the Asian region.
0010Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:15:36.34ID:bL0ptMHC0
Well, this is only possible if you have a strong military force to protect yourself, and Japan itself seems hesitant to do so.
0012Security guard [lv.15].Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:16:14.54ID:25iftNNS0
Well then, I’ll go with the East Asia Limited Edition NATO!
0015Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:18:15.74ID:R0Q7LNHw0
After all, ASEAN is made up of nothing but vassal states of China.
0018Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:18:58.17ID:2ShLJxDa0
・Kids’ fantasy world
“Japan is hugely popular all over the world! Asians love anime and admire Japan! They love Japanese culture!”
・Adults’ real world
“Anime is just another product. Things from Japanese culture that have no practical use and are unnecessary for daily life. International relations cannot be decided by such childish tricks. “
0019Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:19:21.37ID:t7CP8fIZ0(1/12)
With economic spheres in Southeast Asia, America’s backyard, Eastern Europe, and the Middle East all being taken over by China, America and Japan are talking about an “Asian version of NATO” and it seems they are pretty much blind to reality. Their proposals are bound to be rejected.
0021Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:19:33.93ID:BTEDB3wG0(2/2)
ASEAN is able to feed off of Japan’s stability, are you stupid?
0022Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:19:41.21ID:10OMG5sm0
If you put a word like NATO in it, of course people will be put off.
0023Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:20:20.17ID:ycQ7GC1L0(1/2)
In other words, Japan should just keep quiet and give money without provoking China and Russia.

Well, as you say,
If things continue like this, Japan will be isolated in Asia.
After all, it is surrounded by anti-Japanese people.
The complete containment of Japan has already been completed.

0024Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:20:28.19ID:fcOSYbGZ0(2/2)
You don’t want to become Ukraine.
0025Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:20:29.06ID:x5eAP+450(1/17)
Maybe they’re parasitizing on China because it’s not stable?
0026Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:20:40.04ID:j8eLp6ZN0
The Asian version of NATO is being shunned by both the US and ASEAN, but Ishiba and his brain trust, Kawakami, have been coming up with a naive plan without consulting with experts from those countries. As long as they were in the opposition within the party and were acting as they pleased with anti-Abe sentiment in an irresponsible manner, they would not have been criticized to this extent.
0027Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:20:54.67ID:BU37d2Ny0
That means TPP. First, our GDP will surpass that of China alone. If TPP surpasses China and India, they will start wagging their tails.
0029Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:21:03.16ID:j07Tocoe0
Japan’s economy is in shambles.
0030Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:21:37.61ID:gHxI1JQC0
The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
0031Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:21:57.19ID:FF+RhBke0
A military alliance where automatic participation is the basis is simply impossible.
0037Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:25:18.00ID:t7CP8fIZ0(2/12)
>>31
If they had at least taken the form of the “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere” and issued it in a way that included China (a framework, not an alliance), it would have been somewhat well received.
But didn’t they even know if there would be any idiots who would suddenly say, “Let’s form an alliance, without China!” and put their arms around each other’s shoulders.
0032Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:24:10.30ID:4HyU3UaY0
I think most ASEAN countries are ideologically closer to China.
0034Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:24:48.95ID:wPaUWYjh0(1/2)
If they had stopped expanding at somewhere like Manchukuo,
they would still be the dominant nation in Asia.
0036Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:25:11.74ID:1xjhoUzK0(1/2)
He’s a prime minister who will be gone soon.
0040Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:29:12.28ID:i/u2FJ5V0(1/2)
forgive, but never forget. This is the consensus of Asian countries.
0041Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:29:27.68ID:pCDt4N4m0
Japanese people only think about selling things to other countries. If Japanese products sell in another country, they just declare victory and praise Japan. They don’t buy anything from the other country themselves, but just praise Japan, saying “Japan is amazing, Japan is amazing, you guys must be jealous of Japan, right?” – a rubbish mind.
0043Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:29:45.19ID:CbEU4A6y0
w
atm East Korea lol.
0044Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:30:09.18ID:TpyBO9Lv0
I think an Asian version of NATO should only consist of the US, Japan and Taiwan. Letting in native countries would just be a hindrance and do no good. At worst, Australia and New Zealand could be included, but no others.
0058Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:34:36.01ID:XGp0rS470
>>44
Including Taiwan would be like including the Korean Peninsula
The Japan-US alliance is fundamental
If we need Australia and New Zealand, we don’t need them anymore.
0045Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:31:03.58ID:vRPttk1u0
I have a lot of land in the countryside, but I’m having trouble selling it, so if a Chinese person comes and buys it, I’ll sell it. After all, people only care about themselves.
0046Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:31:44.35ID:NQ7rE4WE0
If Indonesia is attacked by China, do you want Japan to protect it?
Are you stupid?
0048Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:32:44.18ID:x5eAP+450(2/17)
>>46
If that were to happen, I think Japan would send in the MSDF.
0054Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 12, 2024 (Sat) 11:33:57.22ID:jykUIQz00
There’s no benefit to Japan either. All giving and no taking.
Reference: https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1728699128, World Data and graph

Other languages: 「ASEANが必要としているのは信頼できる貿易・経済パートナーとしての日本」ASEAN各国、アジア版NATOへの根強い警戒, “Lo que la ASEAN necesita es Japón como un socio comercial y económico confiable”. Los países de la ASEAN desconfían profundamente de la versión asiática de la OTAN.

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