Prime Minister Ishiba, the “general of the defeated army,” is “rather a success” as experts name two “real war criminals” behind LDP’s crushing defeat, “the whole of Japan is outraged.”

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0001Gure ★.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:03:23.20ID:M5rE5y8F9
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LDP suffers crushing defeat…Prime Minister Ishiba takes responsibility but also gives credit
The House of Representatives election was held on the 27th, and the ruling party fell short of a majority in a turbulent turn of events. What was the reason for the LDP’s crushing defeat, what will happen to the government run by a minority ruling party, and what is the future of Japanese politics? We spoke to political journalist Koichi Kakutani about his overall assessment of the House of Representatives election and his outlook for future political developments. This time, the LDP suffered a crushing defeat, dropping its number of seats from 247 before the election announcement to 191. The Komeito Party also only managed to win 24 seats, falling short of the 233 seats needed for a combined majority for both parties. Facing the headwinds of the slush fund scandal, the Liberal Democratic Party ended up suffering a major defeat. Voices are already being raised from all quarters calling for Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba to take responsibility. “Some people are saying that this result is a call for Ishiba to be demoted, but even if he is demoted, it won’t change anything. It was a difficult decision to not endorse the politicians who had illicit funds, but in the end, they were simply not accepted by the voters. It doesn’t make sense to ask Ishihara to step down just because he made the candidate unofficial and lost. This is not to say that Ishiba is not responsible, but with nothing having been done yet, this election is being seen more as a report card for the Kishida administration. Although he lost the election, his attempt to remove problematic lawmakers and clean up issues of politics and money was an achievement. It is not a good idea to emotionally blame the top leader, and if he is removed, it is possible that the LDP will be further shunned.”
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“Lost General” Prime Minister Ishiba “rather achieved” Expert names two “real war criminals” for LDP’s crushing defeat “The whole of Japan is angry”
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[Politics] “Lost General” Prime Minister Ishiba “rather achieved” Expert names two “real war criminals” for LDP’s crushing defeat “The whole of Japan is angry” [Gure★]
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【政治】“敗軍の将”石破首相は「むしろ功績」 自民惨敗“本当の戦犯”2人を専門家が名指し「日本中がカチンときた」 [ぐれ★]
“敗軍の将”石破首相は「むしろ功績」 自民惨敗“本当の戦犯”2人を専門家が名指し「日本中がカチンときた」(ENCOUNT)|dメニューニュース
自民惨敗…石破首相は責任論の一方で“功績”も 衆院選は27日、投開票が行われ、与党が過半数を割る波乱の展開…
0074Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:18.17ID:6g1P+C030
>>1
Since many of the Abe faction members lost the election, the LDP should take this as an opportunity to reinvent itself.
Get rid of the long-standing Abe faction politics.
0093Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:17:35.64ID:jwRqfKYP0(1/5)
>>1
Is this okay for Ishiba? Probably.
Wasn’t this Ishiba’s fifth time running for the presidential election?
He must have thoroughly simulated the scenario after he became prime minister.
Considering the order of presidential election → general election, he can’t show any moves to eliminate the Abe faction before the presidential election.
If they realize he’s trying to support an assassin, he won’t be able to win the presidential election before he becomes prime minister.
Even if he wins the general election, he won’t be able to implement the policies he wants if there are opposing forces within the party.
Isn’t Ishiba’s aim to weaken the Abe faction in the general election from the beginning?
0003Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:04:28.44ID:tRmA0SJW0(1/19)
Ishihara is popular among Abe fans and opposition supporters, but disliked by conservative members of the LDP. When an election comes around, opposition supporters will support the opposition party, and conservative supporters will wonder if there’s somewhere else to turn.
0007Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:05:37.37ID:v8G1aPF70(1/7)
If he understands his position, I think it would be better for him to continue until the House of Councillors election.
0008Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:05:53.24ID:xlioOY3P0(1/15)
The popularity of Ishihara in the LDP is actually due to him being a secret member of the Constitutional Party,
and it was a ploy to vote for Ishihara in the presidential election,
so that people would vote for the Constitutional Party in the election,
but the LDP has become unable to see through such a simple thing!
0034Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:20.10ID:QvnVQOo30
>>8
Ishiba was originally in the Osawa Shinshinto Party.
0009Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:06:21.47ID:iuDXf1xZ0(1/2)
Ishihara bears a heavy responsibility for appointing him, having followed the orders of war criminal Moriyama.
0011Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:06:50.97ID:NfPxgHn+0(1/4)
It’s all about the back pocket money.
0012Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:07:06.30ID:l9Cufpnc0
It would be a total loss of face for Ishiba, who is a favorite of the media, to immediately resign. Ishiba is just a favorite of opposition supporters and the media.
0030Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:53.12ID:OntYLRx50
>>12
I don’t think the Ministry of Finance dislikes him either.
And neither does Noda.
0013Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:07:42.53ID:NfPxgHn+0(2/4)
There are calls for Kishida to step down.
0021Security Guard [lv.7] [Sprout].Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:00.96ID:Kr//4F2E0(2/2)
>>13
Even if there is a theory, it will never be realized🤣🤣🤣🤣.
0024Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:26.58ID:v8G1aPF70(2/7)
>>13
Even if he is motivated, it will be after the House of Councillors election.
0044Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:11:27.21ID:tQ6iXHMi0(2/18)
>>13
Kishida can only become president after the Upper House election
After the Upper House election, there won’t be an election for three years (unless the Diet is dissolved)
Kishida is better than Ishiba, but he’ll lose a lot in the Upper House election lol
Kishida should recharge his batteries until next year’s presidential election.
0014Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:08:03.61ID:29I4EL580(1/3)
I really think that people who vote for the LDP are idiots. The LDP is a party that deceives and corners the Japanese people.
0032Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:10.92ID:Suzn2Kxr0(1/26)
>>14
If Ishiba steps down, many people will vote for the LDP
With Ishiba shooting us in the back, we’re just worried about the future.
0015Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:08:05.93ID:w+XY6i1/0
Well, the reason for the defeat was high prices rather than slush funds. Old people living on pensions were furious.
0018Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:08:31.43ID:tRmA0SJW0(2/19)
Tamaki, like Ishiba and Noda, is a liberal and in favor of raising taxes. The Democratic Party for the People has been trying to appeal to the conservative voters by claiming to be close to Takaichi, and their support has actually grown. The Democratic Party for the People received more votes than the Komeito Party.
0019Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:08:43.97ID:FOhGAbcW0
Conservative LDP members (lol).
0020Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:08:55.94ID:xlioOY3P0(2/15)
Ishihara is to the left of the CDP, so if you’re going to vote for him, it’s obviously going to be the CDP. The moment Ishihara was appointed president, defeat was certain. What do you mean Ishihara is an achievement, you idiot?
0022Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:17.49ID:tQ6iXHMi0(1/18)
Ishiba won’t work because the people hate him

Japanese people hate liars and betrayals
Sankei
Prime Minister Ishiba Shigeru loses heavily with 13 wins and 63 losses in the single-seat constituencies where support was received, calling into question his “popularity with the people”
His approval rating is dropping rapidly
Ishiba Cabinet approval rating 28%, lowest since inauguration, Jiji Press opinion poll
NHK Ishiba Cabinet “approval” down 3 points from last week to 41%, interest in the House of Representatives election
Asahi opinion poll: Ishiba Cabinet approval rating 33%, 53% have no hope for economic policies

0025Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:27.93ID:ahzRrYpN0
It pissed me off.
0026Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:30.23ID:CzpyDmPC0
From the perspective of opposition supporters, Ishihara is a major contributor, so of course he’s praised.
0027Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:33.68ID:U9jRAMgY0(1/5)
If Takaichi had been the winner, Ishihara’s supporters would have switched to the Constitutional Democratic Party and there would have been a change of government 🤣.
0043Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:11:22.84ID:xlioOY3P0(3/15)
>>27
Ishiba supporters are secret Constitutional Party members, so Ishiba votes don’t exist to begin with.
0028Security Guard [lv.11].Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:38.62ID:YByF2tKD0(1/10)
Ishihara is engulfing the LDP and anyone else who might get close to it in a vortex of chaos lol
That’s his achievement lol.
0029Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:09:52.51ID:tz+1hTlB0(1/9)
I’m really glad we were able to weaken the Abe faction, and I have nothing but gratitude for Kishida and Ishiba.
0031Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:01.31ID:zBwfuSxv0
Ishihara’s complete about-face as soon as he became president was shocking, and his brazen remark about the 20 million yen was also shocking. If there had been any hope for Ishihara, they could have avoided such a devastating defeat. Ishihara bears full responsibility.
0033Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:18.82ID:t1eXF2Gq0(1/13)
Rather than the failure to disclose the slush funds themselves, the accumulation of a lack of remorse, a stance of not trying to clarify the facts, and attempts to gloss over them with a change in party leader and lenient punishments, the 20 million yen issue is symbolic.
0035Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:25.97ID:KLYM0flC0
I think Takaichi was a bit iffy, but she was better than Ishiba in that she didn’t give the impression of wavering. Ishiba is a bit too scared of losing conservative votes and doesn’t have the guts to make a decision.
0057Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:13:06.72ID:tQ6iXHMi0(3/18)
>>35
Ishiba’s policies are weak to begin with.
He even served as minister for regional revitalization for three terms.
Is there anyone who can answer about the results?
0070Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:14:46.94ID:h+z6c87R0(1/3)
>>35
No, Takaichi would have lost more.
0036Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:35.81ID:647r7t+50
It’s a shame we couldn’t defeat Hagiuda.
0037Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:37.07ID:WQ2sVDg80
If you look closely, Ishihara-san looks like a young master and is cute lol.
0038Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:10:49.15ID:0VadnUCW0
No, no, in the end it was Ishihara’s mistake. There’s no way Ishihara didn’t know that the 20 million yen was transferred. Also, it would be a huge inconvenience if 20 million yen were to be transferred at this time. Of course I’d send it back. First of all, it is wrong that Ishihara was dragged into the ring by the leftist media and the opposition parties and ended up punishing the problematic lawmaker himself. The LDP should have gone ahead and prioritized the economy and aimed for Japan’s growth.
0040Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:11:03.61ID:PFcCJ7yA0
Ishiba Shigeru and Moriyama Hiroshi, who were voted no confidence by the entire nation in the general election that began for their own convenience, need to stop their pointless resistance and resign immediately. Lawmakers who fail to disclose information have been punished for spending just 1 million yen. Ishiba Shigeru was asked in the Diet about the 1.75 billion yen and needs to disclose how it was spent down to the last million yen. If he cannot do this, his election as a candidate with official approval is invalid and he needs to resign immediately.
0041Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:11:05.13ID:gF9lGDbc0
The root of all evil: Aso, Takaichi, and Abe’s remnants.
0045Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:11:29.14ID:N9UzSCot0(1/17)
It would have been perfect if we had been able to take down Hagiuda, Nishimura, and Sekou.
0078Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:44.49ID:NVaiNuei0(1/15)
>>45
The public can’t be mind-controlled with ulterior motives lol
I’ll be back in Tokyo tomorrow
so I expect there’ll be some trouble lol.
0081Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:52.07ID:5RiqNJK90(3/9)
>>45
And Yamagiwa, Nobuchiyo, and Matsuno
I’m looking forward to seeing them in tears next time.
0047Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:06.88ID:dzUVGiRi0(1/4)
Ishiba is a savior for the LDP. There is no doubt that it was a better choice for Ishiba himself, as he was able to shed the unnecessary baggage. The only ones who lost out were the underdogs in the illicit funds community and those who have nothing better to offer than being part of the LDP.
0048Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:07.21ID:xEnVUDy70(1/2)
Well, if it had been Takaichi, he would have lost more. There might have been a change of government. But he managed to maintain power, so it was a close victory.
0076Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:31.67ID:Suzn2Kxr0(2/26)
>>48
Takaichi, Koizumi, Kishida, and others wouldn’t have lost so much
He doesn’t get support because of Ishiba
The results in the constituency where Ishiba, who is supposed to be popular, went to campaign were pretty disastrous
The media, who are close to the opposition party, were just biased in reporting that Ishiba was popular.
0049Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:13.72ID:U9jRAMgY0(2/5)
I wonder if I could have won over Hagiuda if it had been 30 million 🤣.
0051Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:18.86ID:c9gdK1D00
I wonder if they’ll give me 20 million too.
0053Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:20.61ID:7WhxAehJ0
This was the timing that led to the general election being called.
0063Security Guard [lv.11].Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:13:58.71ID:YByF2tKD0(3/10)
>>53
In hindsight, Kishida would have been best served to hold onto his seats if he had dissolved the Diet immediately after the summit.
Either way, the collapse of the LDP-Komeito organizational power was made clear in this election, so they will never recover from this.
0056Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:12:56.85ID:t1eXF2Gq0(2/13)
But if they can get through this minority government, Ishiba’s skills may be recognized.
0075Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:22.26ID:N9UzSCot0(2/17)
>>56
If he could maintain power even after passing bills like optional separate surnames for married couples and LGBT legislation, would that be considered a recognition of his talent by the net-uyo?
0077Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:15:34.56ID:dzUVGiRi0(3/4)
>>56
I think Ishiba’s style will get him through.
Essentially, he can get away with it by simply incorporating the opposition’s ideas as they come to his aid.
0059Anonymous Donburako.Oct. 29, 2024 (Tue) 11:13:12.78ID:eSW+Sllm0
Rather, it was because Kishida resigned in an ambiguous manner.
Reference: https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1730167403/, World Data and graph

Other languages: 【政治】“敗軍の将”石破首相は「むしろ功績」自民惨敗“本当の戦犯”2人を専門家が名指し「日本中がカチンときた」, El Primer Ministro Ishiba, el “general derrotado”, es “más bien un logro”. Los expertos nombran a dos “verdaderos criminales de guerra” después de la aplastante derrota del Partido Liberal Democrático. “Todo Japón quedó consternado”.

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